Yesterday, someone said to me that that group would probably get more people taking notice of what they were saying if they had a woman on the loud hailer.

I said to the person ‘but they DO believe they have a woman on the loud hailer’.

All those protests end up doing is reinforcing the perception of male aggression. The aggressive male voices shouting wildly hyperbole chants, the male topless with moobs out for the public to see as some kind of protest.

Some people try to discredit the phrase Operation : Let them speak. But yesterday was a very clear example of that.

And it is also very clear why accusations of ‘both sides are extreme’ simply are unevidenced and really not believable when you look more closely. Starmer really needs to never say that again in relation to women and this group of male people.

Indeed. Only one side is threatening murder if we don’t acquiesce to their demands:

I'm Black and I see parallels because I have seen the world through my perspective.

It was answering a question.

Your daily reminder that the uptick in nuisance posters on FWR is to distract us from talking about

the Finnish trial

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5513703-finnish-study-on-transition-and-psychiatric-outcomes-in-sex-and-gender-shows-increased-psychiatric-morbidity

Pretending that race is comparable to youth or sex is invalid and I am not alone in being sick of this racist and lazy false argument.

It's invalid in the context of safeguarding and vulnerability because the biological differences between white people and black people are trivial and almost always unimportant. ("Almost always" because sickle cell anaemia is important.) Having brown skin doesn't make someone inherently vulnerable to abuse from a white person. If a white man and a black man were alone in a forest, they'd be the same risk to each other. The power imbalance between black and white people within society is because of social constructs.

The biological differences between a child and an adult are size, strength, and brain maturity. These make the child inherently vulnerable to abuse by the adult. The adult alone in the forest with a child poses more risk to the child than the child does to the adult.

The biological differences between a woman and a man are size, strength, and reproductive role (i.e. gestator versus impregnator). These make the woman inherently vulnerable to abuse by the man. A man alone in a forest with a woman poses a rape threat to her that she cannot pose to him. He poses a much greater murder threat to her than she does to him. Hence why so many women chose the bear...

As I keep saying, and you have not actually attempted to rebutt, vulnerability is about relative risk, not about mental capacity. Mental capacity might be a risk factor in some cases, but it doesn't have to be a risk factor for the person to be vulnerable.

I think points that go over 10 are binned. Obviously never heard of Spinal Tap.

Still no rebuttal to my substantiative points.

Most people could see the stark differences between the groups.

As soon as as women pushed back, transactivism was always going to fail.

It's a men's sexual rights movement. And, unfortunately for them, their sense of entitlement lets it show, everywhere they go.

It was all built on sand, and now they're busy kicking over everyone else's sand castles.

... in steel toed boots and balaclavas - you know, just to emphasise their vulnerability 🙄

Yesterday I listened to a male voice yell through a loud hailer that we should stop murdering children, stop killing children and stop killing ‘us’ (obviously meaning trans people) this chant was on repeat and went on and on and on.

It is not the horrendous aggression of a group of male people, but it is the complete lack of inhibitions in making obvious false and serious claims of victimisation. In their mind, it must be true because they believe they are the most marginalised and vulnerable people in the world.

I watched the faces of people walking by, the incredulity was very noticeable. A group of angry male people were shouting aggressively and held back by police while shouting at a group of women and girls who were chatting to each other with the public walking easily through them.

Most people could see the stark differences between the groups.

Yes. What datun said.

What Datun said.

I'm another person who thinks Aida is obviously not posting in good faith. It's a joke.

And as for J. K. Rowling should be raped with a splintered rolling pin being a cute colloquialism??

Like all transactivism, it's risible jibber jabber.

Transactivists routinely threaten women: decapitate terfs, when you see a terf punch them, they've punched two old age pensioners in the face, one of the perpetrators of which was done for battery, they've defaced buildings, vandalised offices including that of a cabinet minister, smashed windows, put women in fear of their lives, punched another woman in the face in front of an MP. The list is endless.

Their violence is spaffed across the Internet from one end to the other.

It's ludicrous to assert that saying a woman should be raped with a rolling pin is anything other than a violent, gleeful expression of threat.

People can’t share direct crowdfunding links due to previous abuse of this which had nothing to do with FWR, but nowadays people support all kinds of political and social campaigns and of course they talk about it on related threads.

It doesn’t, it’s an attempt to deflect from the abusive male who is the subject of this post.

It was introduced as some kind of additional thing we have done wrong. We bought books and interacted with a man who someone feels we should feel guilt about interacting with.

Mainly planting, mowing the grass and looking a the epic flowers that are grown?

What are all the 'gardening' threads about then?

Yes, I’ve got that from your posts. I mean, the tantrum over someone making an anology was er…. interesting.

GL's book came out 3 years ago. It will have been discussed here I'm quite sure, and it was a great read.

I just searched for linehan and cant find a specific thread on raising funds for him.

"Gardening"...

There was a whole thread dedicated to “gardening” for Graham. Plus promoting his book for the same purpose.

Pretty sure I see fundraising all the time on here.