FWR being trolled by a user called AidaP

Isn't that like being ratioed on X?

Just so you all know, if I come back to more than 10 notifications (bear in mind I only get one when quoted), i press mark as read and ignore them all. I just came back to 20

It’s not a bloody colloquialism. I have never ever heard it from anyone other than this aggressive TRA. If anyone used this so called colloquialism in my workplace they would be sacked immediately. Idiotic argument.

I believe so.

The argument really is like those academics who declare that female athletes don't need segregated sports, they just need to train harder and maybe have different equipment.

This is part of that same falsely premised 'strict equality' perspective.

(Note: as if female people having access to performance enhancing equipment that is not also available to male athletes isn't direct discrimination and would be considered as illegitimate in terms of policies around performance enhancement???).

There are many inconsistencies and incoherencies in some of the posts we are seeing.

It is worth remembering that there exists a type of man who does think that, by virtue of being born male, he is automatically more logical and rational and dispassionate than women. There is of course a massive irony in this being a totally illogical belief, and this irony hits the stratosphere when said man also claims that a woman is an unknowable concept.

They often take on a rather imperious tone to suggest they have been totally fair and rational, but women have not and as such have punished themselves by driving away all the critical, careful thinkers with their silliness and dishonesty.

And then they tell you women aren't vulnerable and can have knobs.

Exactly. I tried really really hard to fight back against my rapist. I was simply not strong enough.

It's such an unoriginal take too...we've had posters say similar many many times (and years) before now. I didn't believe them and I don't believe this either. Not least as the premise is demonstrably untrue!

Of course you do 🤣

Do you think 2 women a week are murdered by their male partners because they just don't understand they could fight back?

So let's get this straight.

A TRA posts that women who disagree that TWAW should be "fucked with a splintery rolling pin".

Women disagree and say that's basically a rape threat. A rhetorical raoe threat perhaps, but still a rapre threat with all the misogyny that entails.

You from this conclude that the TRAs are less dangerous than the women.

Right. Sure you did.

@BeckyAMumsnet Why can’t we at least be given the option to hide certain posters ourselves? I want to use FWR, but I want to be able to do so without being forced to read comments by posters like AidaP.

Ironically, you just did make something up to prove your point, because your example is nothing like the type of example I was suggesting.

Your example is of general (well, generally misogynist, but we've already established you don't care about that) violence to a person who is Black. Not necessarily racist.

However I am suggesting you would not be as sanguine at someone suggesting, purely for emphasis not an actual crediclble threat, that a specific Black person should face a historically race-coded violence.

An example - which I will not aim at any individual simply to prove a point - would be "Is [insert name here] banging on about racism again? Someone should lynch that boy!"

(You will probably pick holes in this specific example as nothing to do with the UK and nothing like the worst racist language Black people face, and claim it wouldn't bother you. Frankly, if you do then that is great. I'm glad I don't have those worse examples in my head. Still, based on other posts you have made about racism I know you understand my point even if you pretend not to get it).

The way you see things seems to be an outlier from how many other people do. 🤷‍♀️

There's a tone and context to statements too.

If I say to my DS "I'm going to kill you" (if that room isn't tidy when I get upstairs) we both understand this not to be a literal threat of violence. It is still a threat though.

If my ex said to me "I'm going to kill you" (if you even try and leave this house) we both understand that to be a very literal threat of violence.

Fuck you / fuck this / fuck that can be used both aggressively and jokingly. The context of the posts about people being "fucked with" something in this case is a background of genuine anger and aggression towards women and the choice to use sexual assault imagery isn't accidental.

It is a very basic conceptual error.

Women are, factually, on average, physically smaller, lighter and weaker than men. That means that in some circumstances they are potentially vulnerable to male violence, which is also a fact.

Pretending facts aren’t facts is not a winning strategy in an argument. Saying “I don’t like the facts because they are inconvenient for my personal philosophy”, is not particularly compelling.

Yeah I understand your point. With more context I can see why the insult appears more violent

Likewise.

Anybody who can't draw a distinction between 'having full mental capacity and not needing safeguarding in situations were mental capacity is what counts' and 'being physically weaker by reason of chromosomes and needing safeguarding in certain situations' is either deluded or not arguing in good faith.

I'm perfectly capable of managing the household's finances, booking a holiday, making my own medical decisions and holding down a job. But I'm very aware that I never want to be cornered by a man, no matter what he's wearing or how much makeup he has on, because he is almost certain to be stronger than me, and he might have malign intent.

Hence, I dislike shared changing rooms and blokes coming into women's toilets.

I cannot believe that anyone needs this to be spelled out to them.

I think there is an argument that could be made that if that behaviour has continued in the workplace in relation to saying it about people, it has become normalised.

And there will be people around that person saying it has become desensitised to it or had very low personal boundaries to start with, and will perhaps seek to view it as normal behaviour.

While I agree with most of what you say, I disagree that women who he has referred to as bigots should have to continue to be abused when it can be seen that his continued posting is an act of intimidation. It might not even register to him that he is doing that, but how else can you describe the behaviour pattern ?

Course you do. Course you have a colleague that says an almost exactly parallel disgusting phrase that just so happen to refer to a more male 'pursuit'.

There is no way language like that would be allowed in any reasonable work place. It certainly wouldn't be acceptable in mine, that would be straight to HR. But perhaps you just work with some seriously wrong sorts of people and they've brainwashed you into thinking this sort of disgusting speech is acceptable or normal?

I doubt it because it's obvious you've just made it up in a sad attempt to legitimise rape threats as 'nothing to see here'.

While I agree with you, I think sometimes we underestimate the current narrative of some streams of feminism. There really is a stream of thought that believes that if female people find the right training for them, they will be just as strong, just as quick and will beat male people. They believe that it is opening women and girls up to the misogynist attack that we are different and therefore not deserving of equality.

It has been interesting to see this uninformed and misguided stream of feminism form because it seems to misunderstand what the feminists who have been fighting for equal opportunity have been saying. I believe it has come about due to a narrow and flattened evaluation of the efforts of the past where maybe they latched on to the phrases that stated women are equal to men and took that as meaning we are fully equal in physical attributes except for we have different reproductive capabilities.

Of course, that is bollocks. Although, significantly due to the difference in having those bollocks or not, female bodies on average do not develop anywhere near the strength that male bodies do. We know this. Yet that stream of feminism believes it is misogynistic to believe the scientifically established facts. Hence we have seen academics tell us that it just takes different training but women really can have the same strength and lung capacity etc.

It seems that to them understanding the physical differences in sex categories is an act of misogyny. That admitting female people are vulnerable to male physical strength at all times is saying female people are lesser. We are not lesser at all, of course.