FWR being trolled by a user called AidaP

It’s disappointing that @MNHQOr @BeckyAMumsnet haven’t been back to discuss this further.

The problem with the internet is that you can never be sure, particularly on a site that allows name changes.

The only certainty is that so-called activists sometimes decide to be blatant in order to cause upset; at other times they're slightly more subtle.

This is an illuminating thread. I'm surprised Aida hasn't dropped in yet.

Totally agree.

Since it's now plain that it is the same person then - yes, this is a safeguarding issue.

I'll add that "safeguarding" encompasses much more than an adult's duty to care for children. In the workplace and elsewhere, it includes looking after both employees and clients.

There is also generally a difference with the position and slant of human eyes between male and female people. Narrowing in on that with a balaclava makes it more noticeable.

I noticed with pics of a male person on twitter who posts photos of himself that during in covid while wearing a mask and a hat it really was quite noticeable. He declares that no one can tell he is male and that he has taken puberty blockers early enough to stop male features forming. It is clearly not true. Also, I have noticed he is now wearing a hat in photos because I believe he is discovering that nature is taking its course and puberty blockers and no testosterone doesn't stop genetic hair lines changing with age in some male people.

A common colloquialism? I must have led a very sheltered life.

What is interesting about that poster is that I read that figure as a male. Head/body proportions, wide shoulders, size of the hands, no breasts at all. Definitely a man.

Really proves our point without us having to do anything else. Do what we say otherwise a sinister male figure in a balaclava will threaten you with a hammer.

"I just think it isnt that harmful if they think they are now ive seen all the reaching and exaggerating you've had to do to pretend they are dangerous."

There is no 'pretending' they are dangerous. There very clearly, and evidenced, ARE some that are dangerous and at least the in same proportion as dangerous male people.

Hence if society has laws and policies that keep all male people out of female single sex provisions, then even those male people with transgender identities stay out.

Or if you really need it explained, if female people cannot tell the difference on sight which male is a lovely person and which isn't, then the very same principle applies to those with a transgender identity so that no female person has to do an instant risk assessment when they see any male person enter the female single sex provision they are using at the time.

It really is not that hard to understand - there is no pretending needed. Just logic and evidence.

We're pretending their dangerous? Have you heard of Bash Back at all? Have a Google.

A) I do not “have to learn” anything, thanks.

B) Your arguments dovetail beautifully with the TRA crowd. When something walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, I’m going to treat it like a duck.

C) You’re welcome to disagree. We all have the right to hold an opinion. Your opinion appears to be in the minority but it remains your right to think whatever you like.

D) I have never seen any woman say “fuck x person with a splintery rolling pin” or similar. I’m sure there may be outliers somewhere but it would be vanishingly rare. Quite fortunate for your argument that you just happen to have a woman like that in your workplace. Unfortunately you’ve not been able to demonstrate that this turn of phrase is common parlance anywhere else. Just your workplace apparently.

E) Quite the bold assumption that I’m fixated with this subject. I have no idea who you are.

F) I am polarised on this subject, yes. I make no apology for advocating for the safety, privacy, and dignity of girls and women. I don’t think this is a subject that should be compromised upon.

G) GC women hold a range of views. We’re not a single hive mind. What we do all have in common is the intent to safeguard women and girls. Interestingly, I can’t think of any instance where someone who is only mildly GC would suggest that it’s perfectly normal and not in the slightly bit offensive to explicitly tell a woman to go fuck herself with a splintered rolling pin.

H) I have AuDHD. I have multiple thoughts in my head constantly. Weirdly though, none of those thoughts ever condone using language about sexual violence against women.

Same - makes things so much easier and doesn't clog my inbox.

I was just about to say this. I’ve done this.

Yeah I may do that when I have time. It depends how many pages have happened since.

I just delete the emails and read the thread from where I left off.

That's literally why I'm just not doing it. It's way too clunky.

Whatever we disagree on, we can definitely all agree MN's notifications and search tools are less than optimal!

Not arguments. I just hate how the notifications work here so there is no way I am replying to 20 of them. They should remain highlighted unless you address them, not disappear because you've replied to one on that thread.

Tell us you've run out of arguments without telling us you've run out of arguments!

I don't. Just explaining why you won't get a response unless they are repeated to me at a time where I am not spammed by notifications.

No problem, I'm sure it's a lot to take on.

The arguments against your posts remain pertinent and are worth making in their own right whether you reply or not, so please don't feel obliged.