To think mumsnet should explain why Gaza threads keep getting deleted?

Hmmm.

You are referring to something I haven't commented on.

I am talking about the right to discuss a particular war/news event and the reasons why.

These threads always go the same way: OP opens the discussion with faux naivety. Then the pile òn begins, the Jewish community is made to feel like shit and out come the usual platitudes, which always target Israel's right to existence. No, don't anyone come at me with what's been said repeatedly because I'm only interested in supporting a group of people, who have it from all directions. The CITME board exists for anything else related to Gaza.

Disgusting comment to make. I saw somebody else say it on - yet another -Gaza thread. Straight out of the Owen Jones book of gaslighting.

It’s not apathy. It’s an acknowledgment that the situation is incredibly complex and that there is no civilised discussion to be had with people on both sides of the argument holding very entrenched views.

@Flippityflopflip do you agree with the OP that Hamas didn't rape anyone on October 7th? Because that's what you're rushing to defend here.

Like me, the OP is probably horrified regarding this particular conflict because:

1. The citizens of Gaza can't flee from the conflict like other war zones because the Israeli government controls all exit points (just as it did before the war) and has beseiged the area since.
2. No journalists are allowed in to verify both sides' actions.
3. The Israeli government government has killed approaching 60,000 people, therefore inflicting a disproportionate level of violence on innocent civilians.
4. It has actively targeted hospitals and areas where the population fled to 'safety'. Therefore terrorising the whole population as nowhere is now safe.
5. The Israeli government's ultra right wing government members openly stated their aim to starve the Gazan population and then carried it out.
6. They have limited aid into Gaza and made the collection of the aid by starving people into a shooting and shelling gallery. What a choice starve or risk being killed when going to collect food!
7. All this while western governments, including the UK, do nothing tangible to stop the relentless slaughter, often of whole families, whilst stating "we support the right of Israel to defend itself" and we are "staunch allies of Israel. Israel is no longer defending itself, but seeking the decimation of the Palestinian society in Gaza.
8. When the Gazan people can cannot defend themselves from the massive repercussions of what a faction did on 7th October to Israel, it is looking every day like shooting fish in a fish bowl.

This is why the Gazan's plight affects us so much. The sheer, wanton, destruction of a people and their land, all while the world watches on in horror at the actions of the Israeli government, who shout "you are being anti-semitic" when told they are committing war crimes.

The fact that hardly any news items about the Israeli government's actions in Gaza and in the West Bank are open for comments, even the Guardian of all places, says something. So Mumsnet is one of the few places where we can work through with others our horror about the appalling situation, on a popular part of Mumsnet and not be hidden in the background.

I think it’s very easy to criticise from the comfort of a uk armchair. Israel is small. This is happening around them. It isn’t a fight they are sending their dc away to fight- it is their doorstep. Those young men in that tank were just down the road. The youngsters at the festival were at home. As a PP says, without the IDF Israel ceases to exist and every one of them is dead. It’s not a clean war fought on a battlefield somewhere.

It’s reminiscent of Vietnam, in some ways.

You don’t do the same for Islamophobia

Where are you getting your stats from? Just throwing out numbers isn't going to convince anybody - no matter which side of the argument you are on.

Furthermore, it's unclear what you are trying to achieve by these kinds of posts: berating people generally isn't an effective way of trying to get people to agree with you - indeed it's more likely to alienate them (from you in particular - the vast majority of people are absolutely shocked and appalled by the terrible attacks and filmed gRapes that took place during and after the music festival/October 7. And they are also shocked and appalled by the massive war and suffering that has broken out since. So what exactly are you hoping to achieve? Bearing in mind that we can't even get our own government to behave in a rational manner, so what you actually think the people who post on MN can do to cause a peace that a succession of world leaders, religious leaders, multinationals etc etc haven't been able to achieve?

Mumsnet is a privately run organisation: they can remove posts for any reason they wish. If you don't like it go post somewhere else, or set up your own podcast or YouTube channel or whatever else you want to do to tell people what they already know.

It's not even that. I wonder what people think would happen to Israel if the IDF was dismantled? It seems to me that when people are joining in with these silly chants, they either haven't engaged their brain or they'd be very happy to see what would happen to the Jews of Israel within a few short days if they were no longer able to defend themselves?

Members of the IDF have behaved appallingly. Of course they have. Military forces under extreme leaders are prone to do that. But that doesn't mean it's not anti semitic to call for an end to Israel's army or that IDF members are innately evil.

Incidentally, at the end of June, six IDF soldiers were burnt to death in their tank after a Hamas fighter ran up and threw a grenade in. They didn't stand a chance. Not one of them was over the age of 21 years old. Where is the condemnation of that? A conscientious objector in Israel said there are two sides but they're not Israeli v Palestinian. They're those on the side of peace v those on the side of violence. People should consider their position before indulging in moral grandstanding.

You're pretty silent on other people's plights aren't you? What is it about this particular conflict above all others that has you so exercised?

Both sides have done wrong. I have no skin in it.

Once you start saying genocide, Oct 7th being downplayed, ethnic genocide being coined, from the river to the sea etc - it’s no longer a discussion it’s anti Israel and usually antisemetic in context.

Mumsnet are having to navigate a difficult line as Hamas are proscribed terrorists by the U.K. too. They’ve had to do this around a lot of subjects including the ongoing trans debate. Moderation is a tough gig.

Jewish people don't say "you're not allowed to criticise Israel or its army as it's viewed....as anti semitic. We don't believe that to be the case. We can be as critical as anyone else. So who is telling you you're "not allowed "? I want an answer from you about that, otherwise guess what? You're using lies to spread misinformation and play the silenced victim. Why do you want to be a victim?

I guess they opened another account just to say that and flounce off.

How can you post if your account has been deactivated? That doesn't make sense. Anyway your threads were deleted because you were promoting antisemitic hate.

it may be because you are hugely partisan and bigoted? 🤷🏼

Some people have poor understanding of antisemitism, or are being wilfully antisemitic.

Op is being disingenuous. She knows exactly What she's doing. The way she talks, her wording is very easy to see through. I'm enjoying watching her play out 😄

It’s alright I barely used it in the last 12 months, no loss

Do they? It's a privately owned site, I assume that they can delete any thread they wish for any reason that they wish, or no reason at all. People don't have a right to post here.

Thank you @BeckyAMumsnet

@Westfacing It's not true to claim that you're not allowed to criticise Israel or it's army. There are many threads doing just like that on the board called Conflict In The Middle East (CITME).

The war in Gaza gets debated very often on the CITME board. The vast majority of threads are allowed to remain, though individual posts get deleted if they break MN guidelines. I only saw one of the threads about it on AIBU that got deleted early this morning, but it was racist in my opinion. Even the title was inflammatory and designed to offend anyone who has a connection to the holocaust so I can totally understand why that one got deleted.

Mumsnet are pro-genocide?

FFS.

Don't talk daft. There's an entire board dedicated to it.
I read and commented on your thread. It's pretty obvious why it was deleted.