Probably been said before, but an area just for Trans issues?

So do you think then a board dedicated to discussing lawnmowers can be an echo chamber?

Quite right Screamingabdabz

What is also remarkable is to see people declare they wish to post on feminist issues yet don’t realise there is a completely separate board for it.

People’s ability to scroll past threads they don’t want to interact with so MN have to personally curate AIBU based on their preference is tired and old.

FWR is not a “toxic echo chamber”, but it’s a feminist board that centres female sex based rights. If people don’t like its tone, they can choose whether to contribute or not. Just like any other online community, particularly one that gets targeted by activists for disruption.

It isn’t though.

The thing is, it takes one person out of thousands to say "you're not a real feminist" or "you are smelly" and then it's true to say "I posted a disagreement in FWR and was called smelly".

"Being called" a thing on a forum of thousands doesn't mean that that's the prevailing view, or that everyone says it, or that everyone thinks it. There are loads of views expressed and tbh if you think you need to agree with all of them, or they all need to be not on the wind-up, in order to even read the threads then perhaps large forums just aren't for you.

I've been on FWR for years and have "been called" a man, a liar, all sorts by individual posters that didn't understand what I was saying, or were a bit nuts, or just vehemently disagreed with me.

What I didn't do was refuse to engage and decide that everyone thinks I'm a man so it's an echo chamber. And because of that I've learned a lot about my own views and others'. That's not for everyone, sure. Lots of people are uncomfortable really interrogating and clarifying their own position on a topic.

They're allowed to be there, nothing's stopping them posting.

Unlike reddit for instance, which ran all the GC subs off the platform, and bans women left, right, and centre.

I’d think it would be particularly specific to topics like ideologies, politics and religion - things centred around our ideas of identity and our in- and out- groups.

Well, not so. I’ve been part of a fair few and even (ahem) started them.

Otherwise known as ‘alternative viewpoints’ as anyone with those are usually called a TRA? Or a male, or uneducated, not a feminist, mentally defective, a child abuser - until they leave the forum.

That’s an echo chamber. And a toxic one at that.

The sex and gender board was forced on FWR (as it used to be known) - they didn't ask for it.

I gave examples to illustrate my point - just like you did.

You specifically asked what was offensive, so I gave you one example. You gave an example about a thread, I explained why that was a poor example.

Seems to me you just want to control who's allowed to say what, and how they say it.

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A very few people on this thread seem to have actually got what I meant in the first place. When you see how the whole thing has gone, the (wilful?) misunderstandings and the polarized viewpoints, it is mildly bizarre.]

Or some dont see the SC case as a trans issue as it creates a rather important bit of case law about how the lower courts should read individual laws.

If the ruling said that the word woman should read male person as well as female person people would be asking or even demanding threads be moved to womens rights.

Seconded 👍

Yep
Adding a General Chat section which allowed topic specific political activism.

I clicked and reported a trending thread last night on the LGBT child board from someone claiming to be a teen looking for private contact via email. From the speed of MNs reaction multiple other posters spotted and reported it too.

If it had been a poster wanting to chat on MN i would have ignored it and clicked back out.

What a load of nonsense 🤣

Why is this a major issue when it affects such a minute percentage of the population? Don't you think there's a reason behind the masses of coverage? People are so blind.

Oh I see. I think that would be lgbt board then.

Personally as a feminist I don’t get involved in that board especially if individual posting. If TRA threads started up then I probably would end up in a biscuit throwing fight.

Just hide the threads. It's that simple.

Nobody will use a trans section anyway because TRAs don't want to have a nice discussion about themselves. They come to scold women about their nasty views.

I feel that way about every banal royal 'issue' that's posted by multiple posters on different threads every single time a 'royal' sneezes. So very annoying.

The SC judgement is landmark and important for women. It's also very easy to avoid the threads now if you want to. I'd only be happy for those to be siphoned away if every single royal thread went to that cesspit of a board, immediately.

... and I'm safe to say that as MNHQ will never shunt those ridiculous and spiteful threads away from the main board.

If you're saying no-one's views are challenged and everyone agrees in FWR then that's simply untrue.

People repeat this quite often but I can point you to hundreds of threads with well-articulated differing viewpoints, academic analysis of legal text, views on how to deal with various situations. People coming in saying "i know I've got a different view but I'm here to discuss it" - people try to work out where there is common ground and where they disagree on priorities.

Whatever happens I hope we get to find out what this means.

"The extremely narrow definition of human, women, gay here at mumsnet."

I think this response frames what my points are very well. This thread is about whether trans topics should have their own category on MN, not a debate about transgender people. Yet in many responses, posters feel the need to bring in individual beliefs. You’ll notice that in all my posts I’ve referred to being nasty to an opposing point of view, not giving you a particular argument about anything, yet you felt the need to list all your feelings on the transgender debate.

And pretty much every subreddit or Facebook group. It’s the nature of much of social media.