Why has the thread about the death of a yong transman been deleted?

FWR invested in a woman being manipulated, gaslit, the victim of repeated medical and ethical failures based on sexist ideology, that eventually led to her death?

You find that surprising?

FWR seems quite invested.

This poster seems quite invested.

'You all'?

You all care so much about this deceased person that you're going to the NZfruit site to discuss them/look at surgery images? Disgusting.

I haven’t read the other thread. But transmen are women. Only women can be transmen.
And clearly being told a lie that you can actually change your sex is very harmful.
For men it is harmful because the operations in effect neuter them.
For women it seems the harmful effects are even bigger in that the cross sex hormones starts very early menopauses and shorten their expected lifetime significantly in addition to causing serious health problems along the way.

So to correctly sex someone is important when talking about issues like this, for clarity and to avoid misunderstandings.

This young person died as a direct result of being told they could become the opposite sex if they took drugs and had extensive plastic surgery. Their parents were most likely told ‘would you rather have a dead daughter or a live trans son”.
It’s an impossible situation to be put in. If she hadn’t been sold a lie, she would still be alive.

What Arabella and Lunas said.

Yes, exactly.

Deleting a thread that's disrespectful about a dead person is a perfectly reasonable thing to do IMO (even if that wasn't the reason for deletion). It is possible to discuss his death without referring to him in a way that would have upset him had he read it.

Tbh, if facts upset someone, its a shame god them, but it's tough. We must not be scared of upsetting people to the point where we go along with things that cause so much harm.

I don't see it as kind or respectful to use the language that contributed to this poor person eventually dying. I actually see it as grossly manipulative and unethical.

Akin to affirming an anorexic as fat.

The young woman died because of her desire to be seen as a man. It's sadly too late for her now but it's important to. talk about this using factually accurate information/biology in the hope that it can stop other young people going through what she did.

Remember that lots of youngsters getting caught up in gender ideology are vulnerable in some way, often ND and need facts in order to be protected.

No I saw it. And "Thanks"ed it.

Deleting a thread that's disrespectful about a dead person is a perfectly reasonable thing to do IMO (even if that wasn't the reason for deletion). It is possible to discuss his death without referring to him in a way that would have upset him had he read it.

Second post @WickieRoy

Maybe because you wilfully misgendered him throughout?

Did you miss it?

It is possible to discuss the tragedy of the young man's death without disrespecting his wishes.

Perhaps when discussing a young person who has died, it is more important to be respectful to their memory and refer to them in the way they preferred than to make a point of principle.

Is that a way of saying #bekind? This young woman died because people went along with this, from the puberty blockers to the surgery which left her unable to urinate and having multiple infections/sepsis and a stroke.

It's time that people realise that being kind is treating people with gender identity issues and similar for the mental health issues they have, instead of going along with things that cause such harm, and in this case, this young woman's death.

Otherwise it may seem a little like you are using their death to promote your own agenda...

It's got nothing to do with an "agenda". It's about sex, rather than their identity.

That's a horrible accusation to make. Gail's comment seemed pretty clear that she is angry about the suffering this person went through.

Please point to where someone has said that.

I think if you are going to pretend to care about someone, then it would be a good start. Otherwise it may seem a little like you are using their death to promote your own agenda...

The same could be said of those insisting on misgendering being the most heinous aspect of the discussion.

I think if you are going to pretend to care about someone, then it would be a good start. Otherwise it may seem a little like you are using their death to promote your own agenda...

Perhaps when discussing a young person who has died, it is more important to be respectful to their memory and refer to them in the way they preferred than to make a point of principle.

And? That's your problem with the thread not the horrific and unnecessary pain, suffering and ultimate death of the victim being discussed?

Also, you might like to catch up - there is no law against misgendering and there won't be one, it is not a crime and speech cannot be compelled.

People who have 'gender critical' beliefs often chooseto use sex based pronouns and correctly sex people, rather than using 'preferred pronouns/gender'. 'Gender critical' beliefs are protected under the Equality Act.

Mumsnet generally are perfectly capable of monitoring comments to ensure that freedom of expression of protected beliefs is balanced with polite and respectful comments.

'Misgendering' has been discussed before on here and as far as I'm aware the context and tone is what matters; we are able to sex people according to perception.

This is a tragic case, from what I've heard, and obviously needs to be discussed with sensitivity. That doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about it at all.