Why aren’t you banning the far-right agitators?

And the Islamophobes? Would do you think MN should do about them?

No they weren't. The majority voted brexit. The far right idiots were listened to enough for us to get the most damaging version of brexit and they still aren't happy and are insisting we "listen to their concerns". Using violence.

Less than a month ago Labour won a massive majority. Why aren't you telling the far right they lost, get over it? Why aren't you insisting they "listen to the concerns" of those of us who don't want to live the way they want us to?

It's a rhetorical question, obviously.

Reinforcements? They’re not an elite police unit

Go ahead, very apt given my points.

"I consider that many of the twats who agitated for the hardest of hard brexits were far right."

I voted to leave the EU. I wanted a clean break from the EU. I didn't want to be tied to their rules or to be signed up to clauses about 'unfair competition' with the EU.

That isn't 'far right', it is simply implementing the result of the referendum - i.e. 'Do you wish to Leave or Remain in the EU?'

This is the problem with using the term 'far right'. Some people just throw it around and basically mean 'anything I don't like is far right' rather than the actual meaning of 'fascist'.

(By the way, fascism isn't actually right-wing. Somebody on the extreme right-wing would be a libertarian or anarchist, which is the polar opposite of fascist. Some people constantly conflate right-wing with fascism to the extent that the conservatives are 'far right')

With regards to the current unrest, I expect a lot of these rioters are fascists. Many will also be racist and antisemitic. Many, however, will actually claim to be anti-racists - the EDL claimed to be non-racist but was vehemently anti-islamic (Islam isn't a race). The fact that Islam hasn't been officially recognised as part of the Southport attack, appears to have been completely lost on them. This rioting appears to be a little more than a fun day out fighting the police and smashing up town centres.

Mumsnet needs to concentrate on banning the racists (rare), antisemites (seemingly everywhere) and fascists (rare) and their job would be a whole lot easier without people spuriously complaining about Brexit, conservative and Reform voters.

For @twistybranch

www.thetimes.com/article/792380c2-44f5-45ce-8d5b-192b0e5ad739?shareToken=f83c06f41366e22c0fcdc76f444f19fe

Totally agree. In all the years I've been here I've never seen such a concerted effort of posting such far right and racist views. They are not genuine MNers... some bots, some agitators, some no doubt part of far right organisations. It's obvious.

(Brexit voters I mean not the far right)

Because they were the majority, you need to wake up at some point. I’m extremely pro EU, voted Lib Dem in the vain hope we will rejoin, but sticking your fingers in your ears and making out anyone who disagrees with you is a fringe lunatic with unreasonable concerns is what has lead to this entire mess.

I don't consider "brexit" far right.
I consider that many of the twats who agitated for the hardest of hard brexits were far right.

We were forced to "listen to their reasonable concerns"

Twistybranch I don't know what you are trying to do here tbh, but I have seen with my own eyes some unequivocally far right posts here this week from posters who have often popped up from nowhere. Some even encouraging people to riot. This is why @GoldMedallist started this thread. If you don't think the far right target places like MN, you are naive.

MNHQ seem to have done a good of banning the far right agitators, thankfully.

They hold the same opinions that many of the posters on MN have expressed in the last few days and they have been written off as far right.

One group is causing violence, the other is peacefully protesting but they hold the same views towards what impact they believe immigration is having on the settled population- increase in crime, women feeing vulnerable, resources taken from taxpayers, the area becoming dirty and unhygienic.

Many MNrs have shared this view of their area and but they have been hounded and accused of being extremists.

In the diverse and democrat voting area of Brooklyn, similar views are expressed that have been on this very site. Yet I doubt they will be accused of being extremists

Thank you for setting all those things out clearly.

These protestors are peaceful. While I might not agree with them and might find some of their views intolerable and racist, they have a right to protest.

Are they far right? Well, they don't seem to be mindless far right thugs who actively wish violence on anyone not like them and who are burning buildings, attacking police and hijacking a tragedy in order to commit violence.

Eta: I think what I am trying to say is not all racists and xenophobes are far right. But all of the far right are racists and xenophobes. If that makes sense. Maybe it doesn't.

@Efacsen

"There's a whole section of MN where you can discuss all this ad nauseam

Name-calling, accusing PP of being Hamas/Corbyn sympathisers, de-railing etc is almost de rigeur

This thread is about something different"

Actually it is relevant to this thread by calling out the hypocrisy of the left of being very selective about who they describe as mindless thugs and who they describe as justified protesters.

It is also a tiresome left wing approach to dismiss pointing out such hypocrisy and double standards as whataboutery or de railing.

The inability to look at topics from the other sides point of view rather than dismiss / insult them as thick, racist male or white simply polarises and entrenches opinions even further.

Well in the article they accuse the a vulnerable group of immigrants of causing crime, making the area unsafe, making the streets strewn with litter etc . They are targeting them because of their race and immigration status.

So you don’t think that’s a right wing trope, to accuse new comers to the area for causing crime and making the area unsafe, particularly for women?

You dont think that its a far right opinion to express that they dont want any more immigrants in the area and that they should reduce the number living in the area from 4000 to 400?

Seems pretty right wing to me

I read an interesting theory somewhere. These disturbances/riots were planned in advance thinking an autumn election was on the cards.

As a result of that, Farage would say he could fix it, thereby getting more votes than he and Reform did.

But.... he and the far right numbskulls have now shot themselves in the foot, because people are incensed about this behaviour. Brendan Cox (Jo Cox's husband) had it right... he is Tommy Robinson in a suit.

Which far right sentiments do you think they are expressing?

But they hold far right views right?
Their protests are peaceful, but it’s far right sentiments they are expressing aren’t they?

They may have legitimate concerns. It is also possible there may be racism driving some of those concerns.

The article doesn't mention that the protests are being orchestrated nationally by far right groups and known far right agitators as is happening here in the UK right now, does it? So whether or not the protesters have far right views is impossible to tell without speaking to them individually.

Eta: the article does say that "Republicans have used some of those cases to stoke fears about a so-called migrant crime wave besieging the country".

NYT article from today. These people must be far right racists right?

www.nytimes.com/2024/08/03/nyregion/migrant-shelter-brooklyn-killings.html

If you don’t have a subscription:

https://archive.ph/3Y8WS

Maybe MNHQ have called in reinforcements to clear the back-log - just received 2 emails one of which is in response to a post reported more than 24 hours ago

Hope so

I'm ignoring you from now on

Just like it’s ‘de rigeur’ to call anyone who doesn’t parrot what you say 100% a fascist, Nazi or Tommy Robinson-lover.

Absolutely.

This poster is determined to derail.

I've reported their posts as inflammatory and I believe they also break MN guidelines for personal attacks.

There's a whole section of MN where you can discuss all this ad nauseam

Name-calling, accusing PP of being Hamas/Corbyn sympathisers, de-railing etc is almost de rigeur

This thread is about something different