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Why aren’t you banning the far-right agitators?

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GoldMedallist · 29/07/2024 22:03

Deleting their posts but allowing them to keep inciting racial hatred under the same accounts is making the site unusable. Why should we keep reporting them if you’re not going to do anything meaningful about it?

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Teentaxidriver · 30/07/2024 13:09

Dancingmonkeyfeet · 30/07/2024 11:30

It depends what you class as ‘far right’

’Far right’ to some are actually just centre or just right of centre. The term has been so much as an insult to shut people down from having differing opinions it doesn’t actually mean what it used to.

Concerned about immigration - ‘far right’
Concerned about the effect of transgender issues - ‘far right’
Concerns about terrorism ‘far right’
Not gushing about Labour ‘far right’
Voting conservative ‘far right’
Not voting Librals ‘far right’
Not marching for Palastine ‘far right’

If there is a blatant racist post then it usually gets nipped in the bud sharpish but the vast vast majority of posts are from people with genuine points - yet other people don’t like them being discussed.

Look at what was being widely reported about Prevent by national broadsheet newspapers earlier this year following the Shawcross review, a journalist (Fraser Nelson) who writes in the Spectator was branded as being far right by civil servants working for Prevent. I read his column every week: he is sensible, balanced and not far-right. There is a real danger to our as society, if political correctness causes us to be incapable of calling out jihadist and fundamental islamists for fear of being called racist. Go down that route and you will see the growth of the far-right as a reaction to censorship and accusations of islamophobia.

GoldMedallist · 30/07/2024 13:06

whataclownshow · 30/07/2024 12:43

Depends how you define "worst". Explicit antisemitism then yes, definitely the far right and especially historically. The far left's is more insidious and coded, but is spreading like a wildfire and becoming more explicit. A lot of Jews would say it is presently a worse threat than antisemitism from the right. I mean, you have far left folks out on the streets showing support to terrorist groups like the Houthis whose official slogan is "curse the Jews". So I'd say that's a pretty dangerous place we find ourselves in with the far left.

I agree and this is what pushes me right of centre. I think by worst I mean more blatantly obvious.

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VerySadCase · 30/07/2024 13:06

Dancingmonkeyfeet · 30/07/2024 12:56

No I'm asking for examples not screen shots or exact replicas.

For example - a poster discussing issues that happen in a persons home country then that person doing the same here - would be classed as racist by some. When in fact there is a valid correlation and normal for people to discuss.

If it was a post that was humiliating or degrading a person on the colour of their skin or ethnicity then - yes I agree it was racism.

I could start a thread and say ‘last night that thread was awful and MN had to delete lots of posts’

But OP hasn’t give any indication what kind of posts or thread - just ‘racism’. Or even if posts were actually deleted.

I don’t buy in to the narrative that everyone is racist or every one is far right on here because MN is typically left wing. This is not X and posts get shut down pretty quick IME

The OP has already confirmed that everything she reported was deleted. So MN clearly agreed that the content of the posts was racist. There shouldn't be any need for us to give examples so that you can argue the toss about whether or not they should have been left to stand.

And literally nobody is saying that "everyone is racist". They are merely that there are a lot of far right posters posting racist shit and asking MN to do more to tackle this.

GoldMedallist · 30/07/2024 13:02

DontBiteTheCat · 30/07/2024 12:33

Those threads last night were an absolute cesspit.

I reported countless comments and the threads stood for hours afterwards. After almost 15 years I’m ready to disable my account here.

I feel this.

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Dancingmonkeyfeet · 30/07/2024 12:56

VerySadCase · 30/07/2024 12:35

Well, that's for MN to judge, isn't it? If they don't agree that it's racist, then they won't delete it.

It seems that what you're actually asking for here is for posters to post the racist bile that they reported and that MNHQ subsequently deleted so that you can explain to us why you don't think it's racist after all?

No I'm asking for examples not screen shots or exact replicas.

For example - a poster discussing issues that happen in a persons home country then that person doing the same here - would be classed as racist by some. When in fact there is a valid correlation and normal for people to discuss.

If it was a post that was humiliating or degrading a person on the colour of their skin or ethnicity then - yes I agree it was racism.

I could start a thread and say ‘last night that thread was awful and MN had to delete lots of posts’

But OP hasn’t give any indication what kind of posts or thread - just ‘racism’. Or even if posts were actually deleted.

I don’t buy in to the narrative that everyone is racist or every one is far right on here because MN is typically left wing. This is not X and posts get shut down pretty quick IME

whataclownshow · 30/07/2024 12:43

GoldMedallist · 30/07/2024 12:28

The worst antisemitism comes from the extreme right but the left has serious problems in this area too. See also: misogyny.

Depends how you define "worst". Explicit antisemitism then yes, definitely the far right and especially historically. The far left's is more insidious and coded, but is spreading like a wildfire and becoming more explicit. A lot of Jews would say it is presently a worse threat than antisemitism from the right. I mean, you have far left folks out on the streets showing support to terrorist groups like the Houthis whose official slogan is "curse the Jews". So I'd say that's a pretty dangerous place we find ourselves in with the far left.

VerySadCase · 30/07/2024 12:35

Dancingmonkeyfeet · 30/07/2024 12:28

Because what one person might class as racist might actually not be.

Well, that's for MN to judge, isn't it? If they don't agree that it's racist, then they won't delete it.

It seems that what you're actually asking for here is for posters to post the racist bile that they reported and that MNHQ subsequently deleted so that you can explain to us why you don't think it's racist after all?

PandoraSox · 30/07/2024 12:34

@BeckyAMumsnet there is a problem with inconsistent moderation at times. Sometimes the racist/right wing disinformation posts will be zapped, other times we will be told we should "challenge" them.

DontBiteTheCat · 30/07/2024 12:33

Those threads last night were an absolute cesspit.

I reported countless comments and the threads stood for hours afterwards. After almost 15 years I’m ready to disable my account here.

BoreOfWhabylon · 30/07/2024 12:32

@BeckyAMumsnet Can I suggest that any 'contentious' threads are closed overnight, with a message saying don't start any new ones?

Noraise · 30/07/2024 12:30

Dancingmonkeyfeet · 30/07/2024 11:30

It depends what you class as ‘far right’

’Far right’ to some are actually just centre or just right of centre. The term has been so much as an insult to shut people down from having differing opinions it doesn’t actually mean what it used to.

Concerned about immigration - ‘far right’
Concerned about the effect of transgender issues - ‘far right’
Concerns about terrorism ‘far right’
Not gushing about Labour ‘far right’
Voting conservative ‘far right’
Not voting Librals ‘far right’
Not marching for Palastine ‘far right’

If there is a blatant racist post then it usually gets nipped in the bud sharpish but the vast vast majority of posts are from people with genuine points - yet other people don’t like them being discussed.

Yeah this

Dancingmonkeyfeet · 30/07/2024 12:28

VerySadCase · 30/07/2024 12:14

Why on earth would anyone want to repeat racist bile that they have reported so that it can be deleted?

Because what one person might class as racist might actually not be.

GoldMedallist · 30/07/2024 12:28

The worst antisemitism comes from the extreme right but the left has serious problems in this area too. See also: misogyny.

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Dancingmonkeyfeet · 30/07/2024 12:26

BIossomtoes · 30/07/2024 12:20

Those tend not be racist. HTH.

The anti semetic ones go right over your head?

whataclownshow · 30/07/2024 12:22

BIossomtoes · 30/07/2024 12:20

Those tend not be racist. HTH.

Sorry, but as someone that's been on the other end of them, this is simply not true.

GoldMedallist · 30/07/2024 12:20

Southwestten · 30/07/2024 12:17

Op do you also complain about far-left posts?

I report antisemitism which is enduringly popular at both extremes.

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BIossomtoes · 30/07/2024 12:20

Southwestten · 30/07/2024 12:17

Op do you also complain about far-left posts?

Those tend not be racist. HTH.

Southwestten · 30/07/2024 12:17

Op do you also complain about far-left posts?

Sugarlily · 30/07/2024 12:15

I’ve also noticed a lot of Andrew Tate style posters popping up everywhere - claiming to be women…..

GoldMedallist · 30/07/2024 12:14

Everything reported was removed so no, it can’t be posted on here but you can find similar sentiments all over X. Fill your boots!

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VerySadCase · 30/07/2024 12:14

Dancingmonkeyfeet · 30/07/2024 12:12

Of the posts you’ve been reporting

Why on earth would anyone want to repeat racist bile that they have reported so that it can be deleted?

Dancingmonkeyfeet · 30/07/2024 12:12

Piggywaspushed · 30/07/2024 12:06

Of what??

Of the posts you’ve been reporting

GoldMedallist · 30/07/2024 12:12

Dancingmonkeyfeet · 30/07/2024 12:03

Can you give examples?

Are you asking me to display the very material MNHQ have removed because they don’t want it here or do you want to learn more about how people are radicalised by extremists and what can be done to protect us all?

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whataclownshow · 30/07/2024 12:11

@Dancingmonkeyfeet There's always an 'example please' reply guy. Always.

whataclownshow · 30/07/2024 12:10

Piggywaspushed · 30/07/2024 11:17

I agree that there is a group who descend. Many repeat posters. Quite a few seem to be male as it goes!

I do feel a bit like there needs to be a greater awareness of terms used amongst the Far Right that are , for example, anti semitic tropes as they rely on them not being spotted and so feel very smug.

Agree. The threads last night were awful and some posters seemed to be copying and pasting lies they'd seen on X with a heavy side helping of outright racism. It's like Combat 18 have discovered Mumsnet in the last few weeks and have descended.

I do feel a bit like there needs to be a greater awareness of terms used amongst the Far Right that are , for example, anti semitic tropes as they rely on them not being spotted and so feel very smug.
These tropes are as much a Far Left problem too, as the Conflict board will attest to. The same few posters have been stirring up hatred for ages now with the use of tropes and coded language. Multiple deleted posts or reports rarely seem to make a difference, and they just carry on ad infinitum.

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