Why aren’t you banning the far-right agitators?

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@KreedKafer you win thread by virtue of finest, funniest argument.

‘woke’ and ‘north London’ are not anti-Semitic or racist code. They’re used adjectivally to rib drippy liberals, of which I am one.

Paranoid Prejudice Hunters - if you care, why not do something irl to help victims? No, thought not.

100% agree with this
I have also had one of my posts removed for calling a racist comment or racist even though the racist comments made by said racist poster was removed as hate speech!

I think the issue is that Mumsnet is really, really bad at spotting the kind of dog-whistle racism that extremist posters sometimes use. So they will ban someone who posts 'AIBU to think that most [people from specific ethnic group] are rapists?' but they won't ban someone who posts a blatantly fabricated post about how they took in a refugee who claims benefits despite being a millionaire, refuses to work, slags off Britain all the time, demands that her daughters cover their hair in presence and calls her a cunt every morning at breakfast.

Absolutely. There are reporting restrictions for a reason.

These Boards are moderated by MNHQ. They get to decide which posts stand and which don't, and which posters get permanently banned. The rest of us get to decide whether the way in which Boards are moderated is acceptable to us or not.

If people are unhappy that insufficient action is being taken to combat racism, they can leave. Several posters have indicated that they are considering this.

If people feel that debate is being shut down by over-zealous moderation, they too can leave and take their discussion elsewhere.

Nobody has an absolute right to "free speech" on these boards. Ultimately, it is a business decision for MNHQ that they will take in line with their values as a company and with consideration of the impact on the business. Those of us who don't want the place to be taken over by far right racists are simply making our feelings clear.

This. Free speech is all very well but when a platform is becoming a breeding ground to encourage or spread hate towards immigrants or other minority groups, then I'm all for a strong level of moderation. Because these comments then play out in real life.

Yes the name was ridiculous and it was mad to see how many people were jumping on that and also the dinghy rumour, like it was gospel.

The problem is that it’s a delicate balancing act. Yes, racist posts should not stand. But when facts come out that then seem to validate people’s fears, the racists then take a stance of ‘See, we told you and ‘they’ tried to stop us telling the truth’
And the fact that all the suspicions, claims and accusations happened before the facts is forgotten by many. Only the idea that others are using the label ‘racist’ to shut down those expressing concerns.
All some will focus on is that the killer is the child of Rwandan refugees who settled in Cardiff and moved to Southport. That will be enough to fan the flames.

It seems to be heading that way.

OP, sadly what was inevitable was that posters would land on your thread to tell you you are wrong.

No site should want to be targeted by agitators.

OK, so referring to ' their type' , to calling people 'woke leftie commies' to referring to 'North London' pejoratively, deliberate clouded references to 'Cultural Marxism', linking to banned films etc. Describing all adherents of one race or belief as being the same. Posting and spreading fake statistics or inaccuracies, deliberately.

I am referring to a different thread than OP.

With some of these, unless you knew they were anti semitic tropes you'd be none the wiser but that's part of the point.

I've also recently seen a rise in fairly overt homophobia.

Once you let it slide, MN becomes easy pickings and a target site for spreading ideologies.

What about far left extremism?
At least please try be an equal opportunist goady mumsnet police officer

Absolutely correct.

If Mumsnet descents into Farage land, I'm out.

Verysadcase - That still amount to censorship. Have you not read the above discussion? What amounts to "rascist" can be subjective. You end up making people wary of discussing anything substantive for fear of having the finger pointed at them. It is reductive and not helpfully to open debate.

Yes I really agree with this.

No, not really.
The talk guidelines are pretty clear. If a user persistently and repeatedly breaks those guidelines then MNHQ is perfectly correct to remove their membership of the site.

@Dancingmonkeyfeet So if posters were making assumptions that a criminal must have been of a certain ethnicity before anyone knew anything about them, would you not agree that's pretty racist? And then devoting pages trying to argue they can't have been 'home grown' actually, when the only thing that's been disclosed is where he's from in the UK - would you not consider that racist too? Because that's what was happening, when the discussing could and should have been centred on how awful the attack actually was and the families of the victims, rather than obsessing over whether the attacker was born here, there or wherever.

If people are repeatedly posting racist material that has to be deleted, I have no issue with "censoring" those posters personally.

So, OP is the posts have been deleted, what is the problem?? Sounds as though you'd like to cherry pick who is allowed to post and who is not. That smacks of censorship, no?