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Why aren’t you banning the far-right agitators?

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GoldMedallist · 29/07/2024 22:03

Deleting their posts but allowing them to keep inciting racial hatred under the same accounts is making the site unusable. Why should we keep reporting them if you’re not going to do anything meaningful about it?

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Stumped7 · 30/07/2024 22:00

GoldMedallist · 30/07/2024 12:28

The worst antisemitism comes from the extreme right but the left has serious problems in this area too. See also: misogyny.

Have you asked Jewish people if they agree with this?

SwedishEdith · 30/07/2024 21:59

KreedKafer · 30/07/2024 13:44

I think the issue is that Mumsnet is really, really bad at spotting the kind of dog-whistle racism that extremist posters sometimes use. So they will ban someone who posts 'AIBU to think that most [people from specific ethnic group] are rapists?' but they won't ban someone who posts a blatantly fabricated post about how they took in a refugee who claims benefits despite being a millionaire, refuses to work, slags off Britain all the time, demands that her daughters cover their hair in presence and calls her a cunt every morning at breakfast.

There's always been a sort of wilful naivety by MNHQ about racist agitators posting. It's a cesspit at the moment on any of the threads about Southport. A disgrace. I'm surprised MN aren't more concerned about their brand and what this makes them look like.

DontBiteTheCat · 30/07/2024 21:51

BIossomtoes · 30/07/2024 21:49

Because they’re arseholes. I’m really ashamed of my country tonight.

Me too. It’s sickening.

@MNHQ why are you not taking down all threads relating to Southport?

BIossomtoes · 30/07/2024 21:49

GoldMedallist · 30/07/2024 21:17

Why why why would anyone want to make such an impossibly sad situation even worse for that community. Hasn’t everyone there suffered enough?

Because they’re arseholes. I’m really ashamed of my country tonight.

MissyB1 · 30/07/2024 21:36

There shouldn't be any threads speculating about the horrific incident in Southport. The home secretary herself, the Merseyside police, and other local officials have all asked that there be no speculation on social media. It's unhelpful, disrespectful to the families, and stirs up those who will happily weaponise the situation to push their own agendas. And yet we see exactly that on this forum.

ErrolTheDragon · 30/07/2024 21:23

GoldMedallist · 30/07/2024 21:17

Why why why would anyone want to make such an impossibly sad situation even worse for that community. Hasn’t everyone there suffered enough?

They don't give a fuck, just their own nasty agenda.

GoldMedallist · 30/07/2024 21:17

Why why why would anyone want to make such an impossibly sad situation even worse for that community. Hasn’t everyone there suffered enough?

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PandoraSox · 30/07/2024 21:15

And now this. The agitators got what they wanted. From the BBC:

Less than two hours after the Southport community met to mark a minute’s silence, just a few streets away from that vigil location the air was pierced by smoke canisters, jeers and rocks raining down on riot police.

Hundreds of protesters gathered near a local mosque attacking the front of it, throwing bricks, bottles and rocks, many with hoods up and scarves hiding their faces.

Families living nearby who had come to see what all the noise was all about feared for their safety as stones flew past and police officers rushed to put on riot gear and pick up shields.

Piggywaspushed · 30/07/2024 16:14

Supersimkin7 · 30/07/2024 13:52

🤣

@KreedKafer you win thread by virtue of finest, funniest argument.

‘woke’ and ‘north London’ are not anti-Semitic or racist code. They’re used adjectivally to rib drippy liberals, of which I am one.

Paranoid Prejudice Hunters - if you care, why not do something irl to help victims? No, thought not.

PS, twas I not the poster you tagged.

Piggywaspushed · 30/07/2024 16:12

Supersimkin7 · 30/07/2024 13:52

🤣

@KreedKafer you win thread by virtue of finest, funniest argument.

‘woke’ and ‘north London’ are not anti-Semitic or racist code. They’re used adjectivally to rib drippy liberals, of which I am one.

Paranoid Prejudice Hunters - if you care, why not do something irl to help victims? No, thought not.

Do some googling, or even ask some Jewish people, about the recurrent use of North London as an insult.

Piggywaspushed · 30/07/2024 16:09

Towerofsong · 30/07/2024 15:32

You reckon?
Antisemitism comes from the far right and the far left. And from Islam too.
The far right are more honest about it, the far left dress it up in codewords and using revised tropes and dogwhistles.

The far left are far scarier than the far right, in my opinion.

What are the Far left codewords? I already listed some far right ones.

Across Europe, at present, the Far Right are the bigger threat. They also seem to be omnipresent on social media.

If we were in South America we might face a range of different threats. But when we borrow ideas from the Ametican Right that socialism is extreme and ljberal ideas a threat, it becomes a bit laughable.

I've yet to see a Far Left post on MN but, in the spirit of some posters on this thread perhaps you could offer examples of dangerous Far Left lexical choices or ideas, seen on MN.

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/07/2024 15:45

There were loads of dog whistles coming from the RW racists out in force last night. Not to mention the spreading of crazy, racist conspiracy theories and disinformation.

Disgusting people who lie, seek to cause more problems and exploit the victims of this atrocity for their own fucked up ends are scum.

Towerofsong · 30/07/2024 15:32

BIossomtoes · 30/07/2024 12:20

Those tend not be racist. HTH.

You reckon?
Antisemitism comes from the far right and the far left. And from Islam too.
The far right are more honest about it, the far left dress it up in codewords and using revised tropes and dogwhistles.

The far left are far scarier than the far right, in my opinion.

Piggywaspushed · 30/07/2024 15:22

MrsTerryPratchett · 30/07/2024 14:47

I got put on the naughty step for three instances of troll-hunting. Surely racism is a bit more serious than that.

And it's not MNers who are posting in good faith. It's an influx of twats from other sites. You don't see them in the Litter Box or Style and Beauty. Just any thread about race, and FWR.

100 % this.

Buddysbunda · 30/07/2024 15:17

I agree. The threads last night were the worst I have ever seen mumsnet. It was disgusting but it is something that has been creeping in more and more lately. Mumsnet really needs to get a handle on it.

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/07/2024 15:11

Dancingmonkeyfeet · 30/07/2024 12:56

No I'm asking for examples not screen shots or exact replicas.

For example - a poster discussing issues that happen in a persons home country then that person doing the same here - would be classed as racist by some. When in fact there is a valid correlation and normal for people to discuss.

If it was a post that was humiliating or degrading a person on the colour of their skin or ethnicity then - yes I agree it was racism.

I could start a thread and say ‘last night that thread was awful and MN had to delete lots of posts’

But OP hasn’t give any indication what kind of posts or thread - just ‘racism’. Or even if posts were actually deleted.

I don’t buy in to the narrative that everyone is racist or every one is far right on here because MN is typically left wing. This is not X and posts get shut down pretty quick IME

This is Site Stuff where posters address their concerns directly to MNHQ. MNHQ know what racist shite they deleted because they deleted it. In at least one case the thread was deleted because of racism and hate speech, according to MNHQ.

Nobody is saying that everyone is racist or everyone is far right here. That's made up shite.

VerySadCase · 30/07/2024 14:56

DontBiteTheCat · 30/07/2024 14:34

I second this.

I agree!

MrsTerryPratchett · 30/07/2024 14:47

Teentaxidriver · 30/07/2024 13:15

Verysadcase - That still amount to censorship. Have you not read the above discussion? What amounts to "rascist" can be subjective. You end up making people wary of discussing anything substantive for fear of having the finger pointed at them. It is reductive and not helpfully to open debate.

I got put on the naughty step for three instances of troll-hunting. Surely racism is a bit more serious than that.

And it's not MNers who are posting in good faith. It's an influx of twats from other sites. You don't see them in the Litter Box or Style and Beauty. Just any thread about race, and FWR.

GoldMedallist · 30/07/2024 14:42

@BeckyAMumsnet it might be helpful to know a little more about the process, is it a few strikes and then you’re out or are decisions made more on a case by case basis?

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DontBiteTheCat · 30/07/2024 14:34

Thisoldheartofmine · 30/07/2024 14:30

My two pennyworth - can MN ban Emmacc24 who* made several *disgracefully racist comments on this thread,
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5131014-a-third-child-has-died-in-southport?reply=137162143]]

I second this.

Thisoldheartofmine · 30/07/2024 14:30

My two pennyworth - can MN ban Emmacc24 who* made several *disgracefully racist comments on this thread,
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5131014-a-third-child-has-died-in-southport?reply=137162143]]

whataclownshow · 30/07/2024 14:27

Supersimkin7 · 30/07/2024 13:52

🤣

@KreedKafer you win thread by virtue of finest, funniest argument.

‘woke’ and ‘north London’ are not anti-Semitic or racist code. They’re used adjectivally to rib drippy liberals, of which I am one.

Paranoid Prejudice Hunters - if you care, why not do something irl to help victims? No, thought not.

'North London' is an antisemitic dog whistle as well, used by both left and right. Just because you think it's funny doesn't mean it's not true.

GoldMedallist · 30/07/2024 13:53

What a time to be alive

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GoldMedallist · 30/07/2024 13:52

Southwestten · 30/07/2024 13:52

It’s not all bad!
At least Maduro won the election in Venezuela.

lol

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Southwestten · 30/07/2024 13:52

It’s not all bad!
At least Maduro won the election in Venezuela.