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Why aren’t you banning the far-right agitators?

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GoldMedallist · 29/07/2024 22:03

Deleting their posts but allowing them to keep inciting racial hatred under the same accounts is making the site unusable. Why should we keep reporting them if you’re not going to do anything meaningful about it?

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whataclownshow · 31/07/2024 09:19

CassieMaddox · 31/07/2024 09:16

It's a thread about the far right. We saw last night what they are doing. Various posters are trying valiantly to bring up the "far left" and talk about that instead.
Goodness knows why they want to ignore what the far right are doing, it's like saying "women are violent too" on a thread about family annihilation

Well we got here because the discussion naturally evolved from being about Mumsnet being slow to deal with the influx of far right posters and it was then pointed entitled out that MN have also got a terrible blind spot in dealing with perpetual antisemitic posters, who are not actually far right. But quite relevant to the thread nevertheless.

CassieMaddox · 31/07/2024 09:16

whataclownshow · 31/07/2024 09:14

Oh how interesting that you think that.

It's a thread about the far right. We saw last night what they are doing. Various posters are trying valiantly to bring up the "far left" and talk about that instead.
Goodness knows why they want to ignore what the far right are doing, it's like saying "women are violent too" on a thread about family annihilation

whataclownshow · 31/07/2024 09:14

CassieMaddox · 31/07/2024 08:43

Also known as "whataboutery"

Oh how interesting that you think that.

CassieMaddox · 31/07/2024 08:43

whataclownshow · 30/07/2024 23:01

Well we got here because the discussion naturally evolved from being about Mumsnet being slow to deal with the influx of far right posters and it was then pointed entitled out that MN have also got a terrible blind spot in dealing with perpetual antisemitic posters, who are not actually far right. But quite relevant to the thread nevertheless.

Also known as "whataboutery"

CassieMaddox · 31/07/2024 08:43

Piggywaspushed · 30/07/2024 22:55

Anyway, off thread and I'm not sure how we got here really as this was about Far Right posters on MN and specifically Islamophobia in the context of the OP.

It's a convenient derail.

And shows a possible reason why Farage has said some pro Israel/Jewish things recently. In my opinion he has calculated that being pro-Jewish enables him an easy route into prejudice against the much bigger Muslim section of the population, as well as a way to bash "the Left".
It seems cynical, and very little to do with actually being concerned about Jewish people.

Can't stand him. He's part of the reason why we are seeing the kinds of scenes we say last night more and more.

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 31/07/2024 03:27

I agree op. Mumsnet seems infested at the moment. It's disgusting.

Ridiculousme · 31/07/2024 00:56

Deleted one SM account today after reading the unfactual vitriol from groups of people who are the savages they claim we’re invaded by. MN may be next.

TooBigForMyBoots · 31/07/2024 00:36

GoldMedallist · 30/07/2024 21:17

Why why why would anyone want to make such an impossibly sad situation even worse for that community. Hasn’t everyone there suffered enough?

There's been high volumes of "Bad Actor" activity around the murders coming from abroad. Countries hostile to the UK are stirring it.

All those "patriots"Hmm spreading lies and RW conspiracy theories proudly proclaiming to know the truth all over Mnet are responsible for the disgusting scenes in Southport tonight.Angry

AccountCreateUsername · 30/07/2024 23:16

Stumped7 · 30/07/2024 22:24

😂

The Far-Left are the most intolerant, narrow-minded, hateful group of hypocrites. Historically, the crimes of Left-wing dictatorships have at least equalled those of the right. The far-left are not less susceptible to racism. They are terrible perpetrators of it.

Dont be ridiculous. Racism isn’t a central tenet of the far left. Hth.

whataclownshow · 30/07/2024 23:01

Well we got here because the discussion naturally evolved from being about Mumsnet being slow to deal with the influx of far right posters and it was then pointed entitled out that MN have also got a terrible blind spot in dealing with perpetual antisemitic posters, who are not actually far right. But quite relevant to the thread nevertheless.

Piggywaspushed · 30/07/2024 22:55

Anyway, off thread and I'm not sure how we got here really as this was about Far Right posters on MN and specifically Islamophobia in the context of the OP.

Piggywaspushed · 30/07/2024 22:54

1dayatatime · 30/07/2024 22:44

@Piggywaspushed

Hmmm I don't think that a criticism of Goldman Sachs or George Soros is compelling evidence of anti semitism otherwise anyone who criticises the big banks or financiers is guilty of anti semitism.

The Jewish Chronicle doesn't agree.

https://www.thejc.com/news/nigel-farage-accused-of-perpetuating-conspiracy-theories-linked-to-antisemitism-vadaz8cz

Nigel Farage accused of perpetuating conspiracy theories linked to antisemitism

Brexit Party leader revealed to have claimed Goldman Sachs saw the EU as the 'forerunner of global government' and a 'new world order'

https://www.thejc.com/news/nigel-farage-accused-of-perpetuating-conspiracy-theories-linked-to-antisemitism-vadaz8cz

blackcherryconserve · 30/07/2024 22:53

I do love it when non Jews tell us Jews what is anti Semitism. whataclownshow. I wouldn't presume to tell a Muslim what is Islamophobia.

Piggywaspushed · 30/07/2024 22:53

blackcherryconserve · 30/07/2024 22:45

They are anti Semitic Jews. No one is antisemitic about them to my knowledge. Both are highly regarded in their professions although it beats me why, Margolies in particular.

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I have seen torrents of anti semitic vitriol launched at both.

Piggywaspushed · 30/07/2024 22:51

whataclownshow · 30/07/2024 22:45

I've yet to see a Far Left post on MN but, in the spirit of some posters on this thread perhaps you could offer examples of dangerous Far Left lexical choices or ideas, seen on MN.

This is a joke, right? MN has been swimming in a sewer of antisemitism and there's a huge number of left wing posters that love to tell us we're lying about antisemitism (unless it comes from the right and in that case they're so sorry to hear about that). And then there's the posters who love to turn up on Jewish Mumsnetters - a supposed safe space - to tell us exactly what they think of us. And their posting history reveals they are very vocally on the so-called anti-racist far left.

The examples of antisemitism you listed earlier used by the far right are exactly the same ones used by the left. They borrow each other's language. You're right that the far right is a dangerous threat across Europe, certainly to Muslim people. But, across Europe the most toxic and dangerous antisemitism is coming from the left, who are also increasingly aligning themselves with radical Islamist groups.

You've just told a poster to listen to Jews and do some googling, so as someone Jewish, I will say exactly the same to you! I don't want to derail @GoldMedallist thread, so you could read this, which is a few years old. But I suspect you're only willing to acknowledge antisemitism when it comes from the right. https://fathomjournal.org/antisemitism-and-the-left-a-memoir/

That is simply not true. I totally acknowledge it comes from both places.

1dayatatime · 30/07/2024 22:50

@HonestMistake

"If anyone doubts that MAGA Americans can be anti-Semitic just mention George Soros to them."

George Soros and his well known financial activities such as the man that broke the Bank of England or the Icelandic financial crisis or Brexit has always attracted conspiracy theorists.

VerySadCase · 30/07/2024 22:48

@MNHQ, please can you ban the poster Scottishlassie28.

Awful, racist posts - many have been deleted already and I'm sure there will be more.

whataclownshow · 30/07/2024 22:45

Piggywaspushed · 30/07/2024 16:09

What are the Far left codewords? I already listed some far right ones.

Across Europe, at present, the Far Right are the bigger threat. They also seem to be omnipresent on social media.

If we were in South America we might face a range of different threats. But when we borrow ideas from the Ametican Right that socialism is extreme and ljberal ideas a threat, it becomes a bit laughable.

I've yet to see a Far Left post on MN but, in the spirit of some posters on this thread perhaps you could offer examples of dangerous Far Left lexical choices or ideas, seen on MN.

I've yet to see a Far Left post on MN but, in the spirit of some posters on this thread perhaps you could offer examples of dangerous Far Left lexical choices or ideas, seen on MN.

This is a joke, right? MN has been swimming in a sewer of antisemitism and there's a huge number of left wing posters that love to tell us we're lying about antisemitism (unless it comes from the right and in that case they're so sorry to hear about that). And then there's the posters who love to turn up on Jewish Mumsnetters - a supposed safe space - to tell us exactly what they think of us. And their posting history reveals they are very vocally on the so-called anti-racist far left.

The examples of antisemitism you listed earlier used by the far right are exactly the same ones used by the left. They borrow each other's language. You're right that the far right is a dangerous threat across Europe, certainly to Muslim people. But, across Europe the most toxic and dangerous antisemitism is coming from the left, who are also increasingly aligning themselves with radical Islamist groups.

You've just told a poster to listen to Jews and do some googling, so as someone Jewish, I will say exactly the same to you! I don't want to derail @GoldMedallist thread, so you could read this, which is a few years old. But I suspect you're only willing to acknowledge antisemitism when it comes from the right. https://fathomjournal.org/antisemitism-and-the-left-a-memoir/

https://fathomjournal.org/antisemitism-and-the-left-a-memoir

blackcherryconserve · 30/07/2024 22:45

whataclownshow · 30/07/2024 22:42

Ah this is really unfair. OP has been pretty clear antisemitism is as bad from the far left as it is from the far right.

I agree.

blackcherryconserve · 30/07/2024 22:45

Piggywaspushed · 30/07/2024 22:33

Nobody Jewish deserves anti semitism.

They are anti Semitic Jews. No one is antisemitic about them to my knowledge. Both are highly regarded in their professions although it beats me why, Margolies in particular.

1dayatatime · 30/07/2024 22:44

@Piggywaspushed

Hmmm I don't think that a criticism of Goldman Sachs or George Soros is compelling evidence of anti semitism otherwise anyone who criticises the big banks or financiers is guilty of anti semitism.

blackcherryconserve · 30/07/2024 22:44

ThisOldThang · 30/07/2024 22:30

Farage is outspoken in defense of British Jews and the antisemitism they're facing in London and the rest of Britain.

Please point me in the direction of Farage speaking in defense of British Jews. I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

whataclownshow · 30/07/2024 22:42

Stumped7 · 30/07/2024 22:09

But why do you think you know better than them? This is a very very strange observation to make given the current climate. Y'know, the fact that Jewish people are afraid to even leave their homes because of left-wing antisemitism in London at present, to avoid areas where far-left marches are taking place... Jewish schoolchildren are being told to stay home and hide any visible signs of Judaism because of these left-wing activists who are terrorising them in their own city.

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Ah this is really unfair. OP has been pretty clear antisemitism is as bad from the far left as it is from the far right.

mirrorlife · 30/07/2024 22:39

Totally agree, op. I think MN really needs to become more professional in how it deals with posts overnight- the site is too big and too high profile to rely on volunteers who have no background or training in far right tropes.

HonestMistake · 30/07/2024 22:38

Piggywaspushed · 30/07/2024 22:26

There is loads of encoded right wing anti semitism all over social media but this got mocked earlier. I think you just might not know it when you see it. Farage is anti semitic. MAGA Trumpists are very anti Semitic.

You can be Islamophobic and anti semitic all at the same time.

Michael Rosen, a (you'd say far) left wing Jewish man gets loads of abuse as does Miriam Margolyes.

If anyone doubts that MAGA Americans can be anti-Semitic just mention George Soros to them.