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Why aren’t you banning the far-right agitators?

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GoldMedallist · 29/07/2024 22:03

Deleting their posts but allowing them to keep inciting racial hatred under the same accounts is making the site unusable. Why should we keep reporting them if you’re not going to do anything meaningful about it?

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Piggywaspushed · 01/08/2024 12:55

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Alltheprettyseahorses · 01/08/2024 12:40

I've had a look at a couple of threads along the lines of what the OP is talking about. I'm not seeing racism. I'm seeing a vital conversation started by sensible, informed posters being shut down with blatantly spurious accusations of racism from the start along with anti-working-class benefits-bashing bigotry from posters who clearly think they're lovely liberal middle-class lefties. But then, on this thread I've been accused of lying (no), being anti-muslim (never mentioned anything of the sort) and having posts deleted (not last time I checked) among other ridiculous lies. So that says a lot about how some people's perceptions are utterly divorced from reality, so it seems with this too.

We really do need to have serious conversations about race, male violence, knife crime and so on. We cannot allow people to be silenced by a few performatively offended posters because it will only make the situation worse. I'm glad mumsnet are providing a platform for it; they have a history of bravery on straightforward issues that certain groups claim are controversial and have shifted national discourse for the better many times. Myself, I fully trust mumsnet to deal with any racist posters as they always have and, indeed, are doing brilliantly now.

You did have your initial ppst about the knife deleted. Sorry, but you fid.

PandoraSox · 01/08/2024 12:53

I'm seeing a vital conversation started by sensible, informed posters being shut down with blatantly spurious accusations of racism from the start along with anti-working-class benefits-bashing bigotry from posters who clearly think they're lovely liberal middle-class lefties

With respect, this is a load of rubbish. I am a leftie, I am from a working class background, certainly don't benefits bash as my household is in receipt of disability benefits and yet I can still see the racism that has been aired on here since Monday.

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GoldMedallist · 01/08/2024 12:51

Alltheprettyseahorses · 01/08/2024 12:40

I've had a look at a couple of threads along the lines of what the OP is talking about. I'm not seeing racism. I'm seeing a vital conversation started by sensible, informed posters being shut down with blatantly spurious accusations of racism from the start along with anti-working-class benefits-bashing bigotry from posters who clearly think they're lovely liberal middle-class lefties. But then, on this thread I've been accused of lying (no), being anti-muslim (never mentioned anything of the sort) and having posts deleted (not last time I checked) among other ridiculous lies. So that says a lot about how some people's perceptions are utterly divorced from reality, so it seems with this too.

We really do need to have serious conversations about race, male violence, knife crime and so on. We cannot allow people to be silenced by a few performatively offended posters because it will only make the situation worse. I'm glad mumsnet are providing a platform for it; they have a history of bravery on straightforward issues that certain groups claim are controversial and have shifted national discourse for the better many times. Myself, I fully trust mumsnet to deal with any racist posters as they always have and, indeed, are doing brilliantly now.

Part of the reason you’re not seeing it is because, as MNHQ confirmed here, whenever there is an obvious influx of agitators their posts are deleted and their accounts deactivated.

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MissyB1 · 01/08/2024 12:47

CassieMaddox · 01/08/2024 12:44

If you can't see the racism, with respect you are part of the problem and need to go and do some reading.

I hate the term "educate yourself" but in this case, please do.

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I agree.

CassieMaddox · 01/08/2024 12:44

Alltheprettyseahorses · 01/08/2024 12:40

I've had a look at a couple of threads along the lines of what the OP is talking about. I'm not seeing racism. I'm seeing a vital conversation started by sensible, informed posters being shut down with blatantly spurious accusations of racism from the start along with anti-working-class benefits-bashing bigotry from posters who clearly think they're lovely liberal middle-class lefties. But then, on this thread I've been accused of lying (no), being anti-muslim (never mentioned anything of the sort) and having posts deleted (not last time I checked) among other ridiculous lies. So that says a lot about how some people's perceptions are utterly divorced from reality, so it seems with this too.

We really do need to have serious conversations about race, male violence, knife crime and so on. We cannot allow people to be silenced by a few performatively offended posters because it will only make the situation worse. I'm glad mumsnet are providing a platform for it; they have a history of bravery on straightforward issues that certain groups claim are controversial and have shifted national discourse for the better many times. Myself, I fully trust mumsnet to deal with any racist posters as they always have and, indeed, are doing brilliantly now.

If you can't see the racism, with respect you are part of the problem and need to go and do some reading.

I hate the term "educate yourself" but in this case, please do.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 01/08/2024 12:40

I've had a look at a couple of threads along the lines of what the OP is talking about. I'm not seeing racism. I'm seeing a vital conversation started by sensible, informed posters being shut down with blatantly spurious accusations of racism from the start along with anti-working-class benefits-bashing bigotry from posters who clearly think they're lovely liberal middle-class lefties. But then, on this thread I've been accused of lying (no), being anti-muslim (never mentioned anything of the sort) and having posts deleted (not last time I checked) among other ridiculous lies. So that says a lot about how some people's perceptions are utterly divorced from reality, so it seems with this too.

We really do need to have serious conversations about race, male violence, knife crime and so on. We cannot allow people to be silenced by a few performatively offended posters because it will only make the situation worse. I'm glad mumsnet are providing a platform for it; they have a history of bravery on straightforward issues that certain groups claim are controversial and have shifted national discourse for the better many times. Myself, I fully trust mumsnet to deal with any racist posters as they always have and, indeed, are doing brilliantly now.

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GoldMedallist · 01/08/2024 12:12

I’m always deregistering, reregistering and I change my name a million times a day. It’s a bit neurotic but I could adjust if it made the site safer overall to remove or restrict those options.

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BeckyAMumsnet · 01/08/2024 10:56

CassieMaddox · 01/08/2024 09:46

Thanks @BeckyAMumsnet

Can I make a request about name changing? Would it be possible for new users to be prevented from name changing for a period, or a limit to the frequency at which name changes happen?

I think some posters name change a lot which makes it look like lots of different people hold those views.

If you suspect anything like this, report it to us as we can easily check if someone is abusing name changes.

CassieMaddox · 01/08/2024 09:46

Thanks @BeckyAMumsnet

Can I make a request about name changing? Would it be possible for new users to be prevented from name changing for a period, or a limit to the frequency at which name changes happen?

I think some posters name change a lot which makes it look like lots of different people hold those views.

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GoldMedallist · 01/08/2024 09:42

Thanks @BeckyAMumsnet

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PandoraSox · 01/08/2024 09:39

Thanks @BeckyAMumsnet.
I am sure the moderators have a lot on their plates right now trying to weed out the suspect posters. Hopefully things will calm down a bit soon.

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BeckyAMumsnet · 01/08/2024 09:30

We're just catching up with the comments here - please bear with us as there's a lot going on at the moment and we're up against it a bit.

We have noticed a small increase in new users posting inflammatory content, and we're banning those we believe are not participating in good faith. This isn't uncommon when significant or controversial news events occur and we're sorry if you've seen posts that have upset you. As media reports have highlighted, and as you're likely aware, there's a lot of misinformation on social media surrounding recent events, which has undoubtedly contributed to wider unrest. We will remove any posts reported to us that we believe promote such agendas and are designed to be inflammatory. We also acknowledge that amid so much misinformation, MNers will want to discuss what has been reported elsewhere and perhaps seek clarity.

Our guidelines allow for the expression of diverse opinions, even on contentious subjects, provided they do not include hate speech, direct threats, or incitement to violence. We of course acknowledge that our moderation isn't perfect and we're sure you have many examples of this (on a site as large as Mumsnet, we may miss some things), but our intention is always to remove any form of hate speech.

With over 30,000 posts per day, we rely on reports from Mumsnet users to help us manage content, for which we are hugely appreciative. If you believe we've made the wrong call on any post, we're always open to a discussion.

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CassieMaddox · 01/08/2024 08:51

Dancingmonkeyfeet · 01/08/2024 08:29

And if you’ll be honest quite a bit has happened since then to make people feel worried. We are not in the same place we were 10 ago and there is no point pretending that it’s all ‘the far rights’ fault.

This is cause and reaction and pathetic governments

Yes. It's the fault of the people who voted for Brexit, voted in the last populist cabinet, voted for Farage and go round wanging on about "stop the boats" and "protect the children". That's the cause, not the effect.

Those people are not going to be happy with anything other than zero immigration and anyone they deem as "non British" out. In fact though they still won't be happy as there will be no food in the supermarkets, broken hospitals, no carers for granny etc etc.

It is nonsense.

PandoraSox · 01/08/2024 08:50

Dancingmonkeyfeet · 01/08/2024 08:46

It was a euphemism. Sorry if it’s a bit too early for you.

I’ve already said what the government need to do so please don’t scratch about looking for for faux ‘racist’ accusations

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No need to be rude. Where did I make any accusations of racism?

A euphemism for what?

Dancingmonkeyfeet · 01/08/2024 08:46

PandoraSox · 01/08/2024 08:40

What is the gas we need to turn off?

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It was a euphemism. Sorry if it’s a bit too early for you.

I’ve already said what the government need to do so please don’t scratch about looking for for faux ‘racist’ accusations

CassieMaddox · 01/08/2024 08:44

Dancingmonkeyfeet · 01/08/2024 08:08

There is no new kind of poster.

What’s happening is years of not feeling heard when people who had genuine worries spoke out,

There has been a lot in the past few years to deal with as as per the government hasn’t dealt with it properly. - especially with the Palestine Marches - that unsettled people. Multiculturalism isn’t working in some areas and if you’re honest you can admit that and look to help make it work better. There is no point in pretending that people ( mostly men) from countries that have had terrible wars ( most which the U.K. had a hand in) and completely different cultural ways of life can just slot in to U.K. life.

So people are becoming tribal and ‘picking sides’ - unfortunately there is extremists on both sides ready to scoop those looking for support and community.

The riots that I have seen tonight have scared me. The riots that I seen last year between the Hindus & Muslims over a cricket game in were the same. Mosques and temples set on fire. Fireworks were fired at police vans during the marches and Jewish people chased, Yet there wasn’t thread up on thread about it because it’s not ok to point out that yet again multiculturalism isn’t working. Even between non British people,

I do feel ‘far right’ is over used but in my heart I’m worried because I do feel a real far right government is on the horizon because no one will admit that things are getting a bit fucked up and people that have always sat in the middle want change. We do not want a ‘real far right’ government. And let me be clear - the Tories were not far right.

If we have a real far right government - not the idiots out on the street ( kids and morons) women are going to get really punished. The real far right are already getting places on the government in Europe and it will follow here.

Keir needs to make some big changes and statements here. Acknowledging the U.K. people feel scared and working to make things better for ALL people rather than focusing on surface level shite

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Do you know what?
I'm getting a bit fucking sick of this. The country has been held hostage to this bollocks for the last almost ten years. We got a hard brexit. We have Nigel Farage in parliament. How much more "heard" do the far right need to be?

As someone who believes in tolerance, inclusively and working together for the good of humanity, I feel extremely unheard at the moment. I want my country back. The UK of the 2012 Olympics, that's tolerant and welcoming and vibrant. The difference is I am not out there rioting like a toddler to get my way.

"Not listened to" my arse.

PandoraSox · 01/08/2024 08:40

Dancingmonkeyfeet · 01/08/2024 08:35

Were you around for the Madaline Mcann threads? Those were pretty wild and had to be monitored heavily. My point with these threads is that people can get very hostile and ‘pick sides’

Manchester arena bombing - the threads were very similar. Many people sitting in the middle but wanting change and a few outliers going far - which were deleted.

We are watching a pan boil over and the is no point pretending it’s the pans fault if we don’t turn the gas off.

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What is the gas we need to turn off?

PandoraSox · 01/08/2024 08:37

Dancingmonkeyfeet · 01/08/2024 08:29

And if you’ll be honest quite a bit has happened since then to make people feel worried. We are not in the same place we were 10 ago and there is no point pretending that it’s all ‘the far rights’ fault.

This is cause and reaction and pathetic governments

This thread is about far right activity on MN.

As I said, the activity on MN since Monday is very unusual for the site. It is not a co-incidence. The far right have hijacked this tragedy for their own ends. By far right I mean the likes of Yaxley-Lennon and Farage and their followers and the myriad of smaller far right groups.

DuncinToffee · 01/08/2024 08:36

You must have noticed threads where a poster basically spams with lots of posts and then disappears.

That has been happening for a good while but gets ramped up with events, like the electiion and now the Southport tragedy

Probably a combination of agitators targetting sites and posters feeling emboldened.

Dancingmonkeyfeet · 01/08/2024 08:35

PandoraSox · 01/08/2024 08:28

So you must recognise that what has been happening on MN since Monday is unusual?

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Were you around for the Madaline Mcann threads? Those were pretty wild and had to be monitored heavily. My point with these threads is that people can get very hostile and ‘pick sides’

Manchester arena bombing - the threads were very similar. Many people sitting in the middle but wanting change and a few outliers going far - which were deleted.

We are watching a pan boil over and the is no point pretending it’s the pans fault if we don’t turn the gas off.

Dancingmonkeyfeet · 01/08/2024 08:29

And if you’ll be honest quite a bit has happened since then to make people feel worried. We are not in the same place we were 10 ago and there is no point pretending that it’s all ‘the far rights’ fault.

This is cause and reaction and pathetic governments

PandoraSox · 01/08/2024 08:28

Dancingmonkeyfeet · 01/08/2024 08:26

Since 2013

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So you must recognise that what has been happening on MN since Monday is unusual?

Dancingmonkeyfeet · 01/08/2024 08:26

PandoraSox · 01/08/2024 08:22

There is no new kind of poster

There is.

How long have you been on MN?

I have been on MN for 9 or 10 years. Yes you get the odd racist poster and there was loads of misinformation posted around the time the covid vaccines began.

However, the outright racism and deliberate lies that have been posted since Monday is on a level I have not seen on MN before. Is it a co-incidence? No.

Since 2013