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Why aren’t you banning the far-right agitators?

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GoldMedallist · 29/07/2024 22:03

Deleting their posts but allowing them to keep inciting racial hatred under the same accounts is making the site unusable. Why should we keep reporting them if you’re not going to do anything meaningful about it?

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PandoraSox · 01/08/2024 13:34

Alltheprettyseahorses · 01/08/2024 13:30

I said I was shocked to find out later that a knifeman had been arrested just round the corner from us at the official vigil. OMG, people are so ignorant that they think I meant at the riot! And I was told to educate myself! The absolute irony. Anyway @mnhq sometimes reports are so wrong they aren't even funny. This is a mess.

I don't think people would have been reporting you because they thought you were a rioter. Best to email MNHQ to find out as using the @ function won't work.

DuncinToffee · 01/08/2024 13:33

Alltheprettyseahorses · 01/08/2024 13:28

What misinformation? I wasn't at the riot. I didn't post about it, I posted about the vigil. Have I been reported and deleted because people assumed I was at a bloody riot?

If you read the replies to your deleted post, it might give you a clue.

If you had just posted about the vigil there would have been no problem

Your post was deleted so we cannot repeat the it but you can ask MN to explain.
If it was wrong, they might reinstate it

Alltheprettyseahorses · 01/08/2024 13:32

CassieMaddox · 01/08/2024 13:29

I don't mean you are uneducated generally.
I mean you must have a limited understanding of racism if you haven't recognised it on the threads and am suggesting that spending some time reading about the experiences of people from different backgrounds could help you understand why so many people are finding it so offensive.

Will all due respect, you accused me of spreading misinformation. There are certain people no one needs to take lessons from.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 01/08/2024 13:30

PandoraSox · 01/08/2024 13:28

Did you include information about the man with the knife? As pp said a few posts that mentioned that were deleted. But ask MNHQ, I am sure they will reinstate the post if appropriate.

I said I was shocked to find out later that a knifeman had been arrested just round the corner from us at the official vigil. OMG, people are so ignorant that they think I meant at the riot! And I was told to educate myself! The absolute irony. Anyway @mnhq sometimes reports are so wrong they aren't even funny. This is a mess.

GoldMedallist · 01/08/2024 13:30

Reporting alone doesn’t inevitably lead to deletion, only if the reported material is deemed to break the Talk Guidelines,

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CassieMaddox · 01/08/2024 13:29

Alltheprettyseahorses · 01/08/2024 12:59

And here we go, like clockwork. A knee-jerk 'educate yourself' (ironic from certain posters) just to try to shut down any opposition. It's not going to work. I'm very educated, thank you. Educated enough to see how this makes enemies of your ideology, educated enough to understand that this pig-headed refusal to face up to the resulting massive problems is ceding the fight to those you say you're against. We will have to have this conversation now: if (general) you wish to withdraw from it and sit in a corner trying to convince yourself how you're so superior to all the racists with their dogwhistles only you can hear etc, it will still go on and probably be better.

I don't mean you are uneducated generally.
I mean you must have a limited understanding of racism if you haven't recognised it on the threads and am suggesting that spending some time reading about the experiences of people from different backgrounds could help you understand why so many people are finding it so offensive.

GoldMedallist · 01/08/2024 13:28

It must be upsetting to have an innocuous comment deleted unfairly, the moderation can be hit or miss here. Nobody gets it right all the time. I hope it hasn’t put you off, MN can be a great resource. It’s my favourite waste of time.

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Alltheprettyseahorses · 01/08/2024 13:28

DuncinToffee · 01/08/2024 13:25

It wasn't about you attending the vigil

It was about the misinformation re the riots

What misinformation? I wasn't at the riot. I didn't post about it, I posted about the vigil. Have I been reported and deleted because people assumed I was at a bloody riot?

PandoraSox · 01/08/2024 13:28

Alltheprettyseahorses · 01/08/2024 13:25

Yet my utterly inoffensive eyewitness account of being at the official vigil was deleted. So no.

Did you include information about the man with the knife? As pp said a few posts that mentioned that were deleted. But ask MNHQ, I am sure they will reinstate the post if appropriate.

CassieMaddox · 01/08/2024 13:26

Alltheprettyseahorses · 01/08/2024 13:25

Yet my utterly inoffensive eyewitness account of being at the official vigil was deleted. So no.

You repeated misinformation that was circulating online. So it wasn't personal about your account.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 01/08/2024 13:25

GoldMedallist · 01/08/2024 13:20

I think all the rest of us have in common is not being white supremacists, we don’t all share a common ideology. We’re not all left wing. People can hear you and their disagreement with your analyses does not mean they are silencing you, they just don’t agree with you.

Yet my utterly inoffensive eyewitness account of being at the official vigil was deleted. So no.

DuncinToffee · 01/08/2024 13:25

It wasn't about you attending the vigil

It was about the misinformation re the riots

Piggywaspushed · 01/08/2024 13:24

There are loads of very racist posts still standing so there was something clear cut that led to your deletion. It may just have been the hearsay element and the timing that other posters, and the rioters themselves, said he was an Asian man with a machete and if not for that there would have been no riots. Many posts about the man with the knife were deleted.

VerySadCase · 01/08/2024 13:22

I'm always curious when posters say that they can't see racism when it's right there in front of them.

Is it that they're incredibly stupid and think that it can't be racism if it doesn't contain an explicit racist slur like the n-word or the p-word?

Or is it that they know it is racist and they just don't care because they are really racist themselves, and they actually quite like having the ability to express their racist views in ways that are less likely to get deleted?

Alltheprettyseahorses · 01/08/2024 13:22

Just to 'educate' everyone on this thread, I was at an official vigil outside the Atkinson on Lord Street Southport promoted by Sefton Council, with the mayor and others speaking and broadcast on the local news. The riot is something totally different that took place a couple of hours later and about 20/30 mins walk away.

GoldMedallist · 01/08/2024 13:20

Alltheprettyseahorses · 01/08/2024 12:59

And here we go, like clockwork. A knee-jerk 'educate yourself' (ironic from certain posters) just to try to shut down any opposition. It's not going to work. I'm very educated, thank you. Educated enough to see how this makes enemies of your ideology, educated enough to understand that this pig-headed refusal to face up to the resulting massive problems is ceding the fight to those you say you're against. We will have to have this conversation now: if (general) you wish to withdraw from it and sit in a corner trying to convince yourself how you're so superior to all the racists with their dogwhistles only you can hear etc, it will still go on and probably be better.

I think all the rest of us have in common is not being white supremacists, we don’t all share a common ideology. We’re not all left wing. People can hear you and their disagreement with your analyses does not mean they are silencing you, they just don’t agree with you.

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Alltheprettyseahorses · 01/08/2024 13:17

I always thought mumsnet sent an email when posts were deleted. It's pretty sobering to find out that we can't post about being at the official vigil. I haven't got much to say, I couldn't hear a thing, but y'know...

PandoraSox · 01/08/2024 13:16

Alltheprettyseahorses · 01/08/2024 13:13

There is definitely exaggeration at best and fabrication at worst and I'm bearing the brunt of it myself. Anyway, my only interest on this thread now is to find out why my post about being at the moving and respectful official vigil - where I left flowers - was deleted. Would that go for everyone who stood outside the Atkinson? Are none of us allowed to post?

Tell that to MNHQ who have had to work hard deleting the "exaggerated" and "fabricated" racism and far right misinformation that has been peddled all over the site.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 01/08/2024 13:13

PandoraSox · 01/08/2024 13:08

Are you saying there has been no racism spewed on MN since the awful events on Monday? That we have been imagining it all?

There is definitely exaggeration at best and fabrication at worst and I'm bearing the brunt of it myself. Anyway, my only interest on this thread now is to find out why my post about being at the moving and respectful official vigil - where I left flowers - was deleted. Would that go for everyone who stood outside the Atkinson? Are none of us allowed to post?

Piggywaspushed · 01/08/2024 13:13

Alltheprettyseahorses · 01/08/2024 13:07

Wait - @MNHQ I have had no email saying my post was deleted. The post was about how I attended the official vigil outside the Atkinson in Southport and I mentioned that we found out later a knifeman was arrested literally round the corner. There was nothing offensive or racist in the slightest. Can you please tell me why my post, the post of someone at the vigil, was deleted? Is it because of multiple malicious reports or is it because, as heavily hinted by certain posters, people are so ignorant of the situation that they think I was at the riot that happened about 2 hours and a good 20/30 minutes walk away?

You don't get an email.

It may have been deleted because it was hearsay, and something that was being spread by various malicious posters on other threads, or because of an implication that it was a non rioters. Can't read it now to see. But thought you would like to know.

DuncinToffee · 01/08/2024 13:12

If you can't see it, it apparently isn't there Hmm

PandoraSox · 01/08/2024 13:12

@Alltheprettyseahorses you will need to email MNHQ. @MNHQ goes nowhere and will not get a response.

Also, MNHQ doesn't email posters when their posts are deleted, unless it is to tell them they are in danger of being or are suspended or banned.

PandoraSox · 01/08/2024 13:08

Alltheprettyseahorses · 01/08/2024 12:59

And here we go, like clockwork. A knee-jerk 'educate yourself' (ironic from certain posters) just to try to shut down any opposition. It's not going to work. I'm very educated, thank you. Educated enough to see how this makes enemies of your ideology, educated enough to understand that this pig-headed refusal to face up to the resulting massive problems is ceding the fight to those you say you're against. We will have to have this conversation now: if (general) you wish to withdraw from it and sit in a corner trying to convince yourself how you're so superior to all the racists with their dogwhistles only you can hear etc, it will still go on and probably be better.

Are you saying there has been no racism spewed on MN since the awful events on Monday? That we have been imagining it all?

Alltheprettyseahorses · 01/08/2024 13:07

Wait - @MNHQ I have had no email saying my post was deleted. The post was about how I attended the official vigil outside the Atkinson in Southport and I mentioned that we found out later a knifeman was arrested literally round the corner. There was nothing offensive or racist in the slightest. Can you please tell me why my post, the post of someone at the vigil, was deleted? Is it because of multiple malicious reports or is it because, as heavily hinted by certain posters, people are so ignorant of the situation that they think I was at the riot that happened about 2 hours and a good 20/30 minutes walk away?

Alltheprettyseahorses · 01/08/2024 12:59

And here we go, like clockwork. A knee-jerk 'educate yourself' (ironic from certain posters) just to try to shut down any opposition. It's not going to work. I'm very educated, thank you. Educated enough to see how this makes enemies of your ideology, educated enough to understand that this pig-headed refusal to face up to the resulting massive problems is ceding the fight to those you say you're against. We will have to have this conversation now: if (general) you wish to withdraw from it and sit in a corner trying to convince yourself how you're so superior to all the racists with their dogwhistles only you can hear etc, it will still go on and probably be better.