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Why aren’t you banning the far-right agitators?

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GoldMedallist · 29/07/2024 22:03

Deleting their posts but allowing them to keep inciting racial hatred under the same accounts is making the site unusable. Why should we keep reporting them if you’re not going to do anything meaningful about it?

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VerySadCase · 01/08/2024 17:30

I am feeling really depressed about it tbh.

I always knew that we had a racism problem in this country, but when I was younger, I naively believed that progress was being made and that eventually racism would just be something for the history books. But somehow we seem to have gone backwards in the last ten years instead of forwards.

I don't want to just flounce but I am seriously considering whether I need to take a break from MN for the sake of my mental health. It has become so toxic. But the problem is, it isn't just MN, it's everywhere - on the news, all over Twitter etc. I despair at the direction the country is taking.

Uricon2 · 01/08/2024 17:00

I don't know if allowing only one thread with a moderator literally sitting on it would work. Although, what is there to say at this point? He's been charged and remanded and quite rightly nothing of absolute fact will be known for a while I imagine. I suppose it would corral the people who are just posting to express their racism and make it easier to spot PBPs, bad faith name changers etc.

PandoraSox · 01/08/2024 16:53

If I ran MN I would suspend new membership and the ability to name change for a few days. Maybe suspend all posting for a day. Then have a good look at who is inciting hatred and chuck 'em out.

DontBiteTheCat · 01/08/2024 16:47

Thank you for hiding the most recent one @MNHQ, however It went on for far too long and you really need to take heed of the PM’s words today; you have a responsibility to stamp this out. It’s not good enough to say we need to just keep reporting, I’ve lost count of the number of posts I’ve reported in the last 3 days, but moderation is your responsibility.

This site has been a cesspit since Monday.

Flimsy1234 · 01/08/2024 16:46

Meh, I’ve had enough; people on MN are worse than they ever have been. Bye!

PandoraSox · 01/08/2024 16:45

The other one has been hidden too, now There was speculation about the motives and the weapon. People don't seem to care if they prejudice a trial.

DuncinToffee · 01/08/2024 16:34

The one I mentioned has been zapped thank you MN

PandoraSox · 01/08/2024 16:13

I am usually up for confronting these people, but I have had enough now. Can't be bothered reporting any longer, either.

Starmer has just mentioned the responsibilities of social media platforms towards what is posted on their sites.

VerySadCase · 01/08/2024 16:07

PandoraSox · 01/08/2024 16:00

Decent people will start leaving the site soon. The latest two threads are unspeakable.

I'm really losing the will to be honest. I don't have the patience to engage with these people any more.

BustingBaoBun · 01/08/2024 16:03

PandoraSox · 01/08/2024 16:00

Decent people will start leaving the site soon. The latest two threads are unspeakable.

I agree

It's never been as bad as this

PandoraSox · 01/08/2024 16:00

Decent people will start leaving the site soon. The latest two threads are unspeakable.

DontBiteTheCat · 01/08/2024 15:59

And still these threads are left to fucking stand!

CassieMaddox · 01/08/2024 15:29

PandoraSox · 01/08/2024 15:01

Yeah just saw that one. Wish I hadn't.

The mods at MNHQ are going to be busy.

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It's like some kind of far right DDoS attack Sad

Just everywhere. If I read the name Katherine Barbalsingh again I'm gonna scream

KeebabSpider · 01/08/2024 15:23

Towerofsong · 30/07/2024 15:32

You reckon?
Antisemitism comes from the far right and the far left. And from Islam too.
The far right are more honest about it, the far left dress it up in codewords and using revised tropes and dogwhistles.

The far left are far scarier than the far right, in my opinion.

What is so scary to you about a radical form of politics that aims to create true universal equality?

There is a real issue with antisemitism. There are a lot of people claiming to be on the left who are falling into the trap of aligning themselves with antisemites and with Islamists. If X is anything to go by there are plenty of useful "Liberal idiots" who think themselves left wing by virtue of not being right of centre. They are so invested into the idea of projecting their credentials of morally virtuous intentions that they have subsumed this into their subjective feeling of 'who' they are. What they say becomes who they are in how they view themselves. It reinforces a sense of moral superiority that they feel to be an essential part of their own subjectivity. These liberals who are of the 'be kind' variety lack critical thinking and at present many are aligning themselves with people they perceive to be oppressed minorities. I would argue that anyone on the ultra left shouldn't ignore the threat that Islam poses to liberalism. Liberalism proposes moral relativism whilst Islam is absolutist, never the twain shall meet. As someone on the left I would welcome anything that undermines capitalism and liberalism. Liberalism offers false concepts of equality and capitalism creates materially the conditions that exploit and create inequality between men and women, rich and poor, us and them. But to hop into bed with one tyranny in order to defeat another is a dangerous thing.

We have a problem with immigration. We shouldn't have, and under the right economic social system we wouldn't have. And if it were not for capitalisms tendency to growth, exploitation and imperialism we would have neither people arriving on boats, or idiot flag wavers rioting. But it is very naive to shut down all debate and to exclude those most effected by mass immigration. These far right clowns, beer swilling, fascist twats, jobless chavs, idiots, knuckle draggers, unwashed, unclean rioting in the streets are the same people liberals are at pains to give charity to, show sympathy for, argue on their behalf and yet they despise them and the very notion of these working class people who have become immiserated (just as the liberal MC have become almost religious in their virtue signaling echo chambers) should have any real equality creates hysteria and fear. The liberals are busy shouting for food banks, about benefits and school dinners. In fact anything that sticks a plaster over the problem and keeps them feeling virtuous. An actual revolution that consigned their sympathetic mithering to history is the very last thing they want.

I have studied political economy and philosophy, and mainstream politics doesn't really interest me. In the last 20 years I have come to the conclusion that: Liberalism is on its death bed, and fighting for the future and equality for all does not rely upon aligning ourselves with any new tyranny. The left does not need to align itself with the interests of religious ideologues, and neither should we overlook the dangers of religious hegemony taking place.

As a side note I am chuckling, we have the far right shouting about the fact no one listens despite the fact they have swallowed the racist ideologies of the far right state. A bunch of fascists rioting and calling for the state to be .......more fascist. Punching police officers whilst demanding the police become less ineffectual. And the fascist state clearing up after itself, a bit like a junkie trying to get clean in the full glare of the the other useful idiots who are standing on the sidelines offering up kind and supportive words whilst inwardly passing moral judgment that the likes of Francis Galton and Hitler himself would endorse.

Uricon2 · 01/08/2024 15:08

I've known all my life that the far Right doesn't give a toss whether someone was born in the UK or not if their skin colour or religion is what they deem "wrong". What is so depressing about some of the comments on here is the number of people who would probably not consider themselves far Right at all who clearly think the same thing. I'm even hoping that they are all bad actors rather than run of the mill MN members.

That's before we get to the statements of those who don't care if it transpires that he has mental health problems and just want him executed. In one case, without trial.

PandoraSox · 01/08/2024 15:01

DuncinToffee · 01/08/2024 14:23

No, the 'what is happening to this country'

I have reported it, new poster as well

Yeah just saw that one. Wish I hadn't.

The mods at MNHQ are going to be busy.

CassieMaddox · 01/08/2024 15:00

PandoraSox · 01/08/2024 14:20

The Suspect Named thread, Duncin?

I want to cry at the racism (that apparently doesn't exist).

I think the glee about stirring up trouble is very distasteful as well

DuncinToffee · 01/08/2024 14:23

No, the 'what is happening to this country'

I have reported it, new poster as well

PandoraSox · 01/08/2024 14:20

The Suspect Named thread, Duncin?

I want to cry at the racism (that apparently doesn't exist).

Alltheprettyseahorses · 01/08/2024 14:19

CassieMaddox · 01/08/2024 13:29

I don't mean you are uneducated generally.
I mean you must have a limited understanding of racism if you haven't recognised it on the threads and am suggesting that spending some time reading about the experiences of people from different backgrounds could help you understand why so many people are finding it so offensive.

As someone from a 'different background' myself, I've educated myself quite enough on this thread. Given the responses on the threads I've looked at and the absolute debacle on here with the ridiculous, irrational and downright wrong assumptions about my post, it all removes any faith anyone could possibly have in the allegations of racism from posters on here. And no, I'm not some far! right!! fifth!!! column!!!! agitator!!!!! that the more fevered conspiracy theorists assume probably normal posters to be, I'm just a bog standard left-wing ex-Labour member, Remain-voting poster who joined about 13 years ago.

DuncinToffee · 01/08/2024 14:06

And another thread has just popped up in chat

cakeorwine · 01/08/2024 13:48

I don't trust many posts on here - especially when someone says that "something has happened involving *insert name of minority group here""

It might well have happened. It might not. But it's so so easy to post something that people want to believe because it caters to their beliefs and biases. It serves to reinforce beliefs and radicalise.

I also see a lot of posters who can't be seen on advanced search who post and run.

For some reason

Uricon2 · 01/08/2024 13:43

Why should the tragic events of this week lead to a debate about race though? It's been pointed out over and over again that the assailant may be of Rwandan heritage but there are no indications that it was a terrorist offence and (for about the millionth time on here) was born in the UK. Therefore, what has his race got to do with anything? He is one individual who did a terrible thing.

My conclusion is that it is for the same reasons that a far Right mob rioted and attacked a mosque in Southport, hatred of black and brown people and in fact anyone who does not conform to a norm. All the pompous puffery about "important debates" aside, it is that.

GoldMedallist · 01/08/2024 13:38

@Alltheprettyseahorses I imagine anyone would feel aggrieved if they felt the moderators had been unfair to them. You can contact them directly. It’s not likely to be anything personal so try not to take it to heart.

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Alltheprettyseahorses · 01/08/2024 13:36

DuncinToffee · 01/08/2024 13:33

If you read the replies to your deleted post, it might give you a clue.

If you had just posted about the vigil there would have been no problem

Your post was deleted so we cannot repeat the it but you can ask MN to explain.
If it was wrong, they might reinstate it

I posted about the vigil. People seem to think I posted about the riot, I'm now assuming because they didn't know or care there was a vigil which isn't my fault. The replies based on this ignorance have no bearing on my post. Education is definitely needed.