Why aren’t you banning the far-right agitators?

That would be good, but I wonder if MN would go for it.

Some of the worst threads have had voting options, and it's clear that, in addition to the very vocal racist posters, there are a lot of silent users are supporting the racist content as well. I'm guessing that's why MN is often reluctant to delete stuff.

If MN took a hard line on racism, it would probably lose a good chunk of its users, and that would impact on its advertising revenue. And even though some of us might decide to walk away, I'm not sure that there are enough of us to make a real difference.

This. It needs said again and again.

People aren't robots and when there is an uptick in far right rhetoric and people are quite frankly scared they will respond accordingly. "Thinking" works both ways and you could cut Pandora some slack before being sparky.

I'm just very glad I don't have to try to moderate it.

I think there is potential for a stronger moderation on some issues to be more inclusive. MN for example ran the "we believe you" campaign and was no-tolerance on rape myths. Maybe we could ask similar for moderating racist content.

I also feel like the "it's not enough to not be racist, you should be anti-racist" could be a good approach to take.

Yes. People who the day after far Right rioters were demolishing peoples garden walls for bricks to throw at the police who were trying to keep order saying "but you can understand why they were demonstrating". Posts that are mostly gone now.

And yes, I do understand why they were "demonstrating", it's because they are thugs with shit for brains who hate people with different coloured skin from white and who have no respect for the dead and injured in Southport and their families.

Was it on one of the threads that were deleted for speculation and racism or a thread still running? Do please point me towards it so I can check my posts.

Not at all, I have always enjoyed the open and honest debate on MN. I'm fine with people having different views, but this is different. I don't want to spend my free time talking to far right racists and their apologists.

Quite a lot of us have very good memories and also, AS.

Yeah, I don't even know how long I've been here now...must be at least 15 years. I don't think I have ever seriously considered deleting my account in all that time, but I guess nothing stays the same forever.

Like you, I'm on here pretty much every day, and it's surprisingly hard to let go of that. It has become a part of my life and I know I would miss it. Then again, I already miss what it once was...

I'm going to ponder it for a bit before I decide. I don't know that I blame MNHQ really. The problem here on MN reflects the problems in our wider society. Yes, the moderation could be tighter, but at the end of the day, MN is a business first and foremost - advertising revenue probably comes before other concerns.

I just feel sad to have lost something that used to really add value to my life. Now I feel like it just brings me down.

Because when I first came to another thread and asked who was the perpetrator you jumped at me and accused me of several things and were rude. An absolute normal question with not agenda so may be pipe down a bit. If you want to call people things may be think before you write.

What are you on about and why have you picked me out of this thread to goad, when many other people on this thread are expressing their upset about what has gone on since Monday?

There have certainly been a lot of nasty far right vultures on here these last few days @dottiehens and it seems MNHQ agree.

Happier now you got the name and the photo you wanted?

ETA "nasty" to "far right vultures"

This has been an awful few days on here. I think MNHQ has done its best with the resources it has against what at times has felt like a tidal wave of racism, but perhaps they need to consider whether those resources are enough/a different approach.

To anyone who also feels concerned and depressed by all this, best thoughts and wishes.

I think you are winding us up.

I don’t. I think the poster genuinely only wants left wing posters to come onto this forum.

RedJenny Do not be mean. Come on. Pandora would leave MN along with all the decent people of the site. Then who would police those nasty far right vultures. 😉

No. Don't agree with this at all. Racism and other forms of hate should be zapped and repeat offenders banned. That is enough.

I think you are winding us up.

It’s laughable isn’t it? Totalitarian, intolerant, yet claiming to be ‘inclusive’.

RedJenny · Today 17:42
It would be helpful if Mumsnet actively nailed its colours to the mast and said that people with conservative and far right leanings aren’t welcome here

So no one who votes conservative is welcome here?

Well that dismisses half the country given people voted left/right in roughly equal numbers at the last election. Nothing ‘inclusive’ about wanting to ban people with ‘conservative leanings’ is there?

I feel exactly the same as you.

I avoid the news where possible, I’m very selective about what/who I follow on SM but have been a daily user of MN for almost 15 years.

What I’ve seen on here this week has made me absolutely despair. I’m trying not to react in anger but I think my time on here is done.

I'm the same. I think I feel defeated by it tbh.

I would suspend new members ability to NC for much longer than that. And if they needed to NC for personal and difficult reasons, they would have to apply to MNHQ for the go ahead.

There are many forums out there that don't allow any NCing.