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Why do you allow people to attack and ridicule Christianity?

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Singersong · 18/07/2024 06:45

Time and time again I see people taking the absolute piss out of Christianity. Calling people delusional and saying it's made up bullshit etc. why do you allow this? I don't see this about any other religion.

It goes far beyond atheism and you claim to be against hate speech.

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Werweisswohin · 21/07/2024 08:44

RampantIvy · 21/07/2024 08:30

It's fine to think it. We all think things that are probably best left unsaid. I still maintain that telling someone they are delusional is rude.

I still maintain that questioning isn't rude.

RampantIvy · 21/07/2024 08:30

Werweisswohin · 21/07/2024 08:20

How about if you genuinely feel it is actually delusional to think a god figure is real and can speak to you though? To believe so strongly in something just because a few men happened to write a book a long time ago? To think you know your god is the god and to base important life decisions on that instead of logic?

It's fine to think it. We all think things that are probably best left unsaid. I still maintain that telling someone they are delusional is rude.

Werweisswohin · 21/07/2024 08:27

BarHumbugs · 21/07/2024 08:26

Only if that person can't laugh at themself and their beliefs. Religion should not have special status, it should be open to ridicule. If religion is too fragile to withstand a bit of ridicule that is not my problem.

Agreed.

Werweisswohin · 21/07/2024 08:27

Suzieandthemonkeyfeet · 21/07/2024 08:21

Because it’s a very left wing site.

Eh?

BarHumbugs · 21/07/2024 08:26

LynetteScavo · 21/07/2024 08:19

@BarHumbugs - Iaughing at yourself and your own beliefs is very different to ridiculing someone else's.

Only if that person can't laugh at themself and their beliefs. Religion should not have special status, it should be open to ridicule. If religion is too fragile to withstand a bit of ridicule that is not my problem.

Suzieandthemonkeyfeet · 21/07/2024 08:21

Because it’s a very left wing site.

Werweisswohin · 21/07/2024 08:20

LynetteScavo · 21/07/2024 08:19

@BarHumbugs - Iaughing at yourself and your own beliefs is very different to ridiculing someone else's.

Again, questioning isn't riducule.

Werweisswohin · 21/07/2024 08:20

RampantIvy · 21/07/2024 08:15

Laughing at a religion and its practices is fine - remember Dave Allen?

Criticising or questioning a religion's practices is also fine - circumcision, FGM, misogyny.

Ridiculing someone for having a faith by telling them they are delusional isn't.

The first two are impersonal, the third is personal.

How about if you genuinely feel it is actually delusional to think a god figure is real and can speak to you though? To believe so strongly in something just because a few men happened to write a book a long time ago? To think you know your god is the god and to base important life decisions on that instead of logic?

LynetteScavo · 21/07/2024 08:19

@BarHumbugs - Iaughing at yourself and your own beliefs is very different to ridiculing someone else's.

RampantIvy · 21/07/2024 08:15

Laughing at a religion and its practices is fine - remember Dave Allen?

Criticising or questioning a religion's practices is also fine - circumcision, FGM, misogyny.

Ridiculing someone for having a faith by telling them they are delusional isn't.

The first two are impersonal, the third is personal.

Werweisswohin · 21/07/2024 08:14

RampantIvy · 21/07/2024 07:55

Well said @LynetteScavo

Treating someone in an inferior way simply because they follow judaism would be anti-semitic. The same applies to islam.

And other religions @Werweisswohin

Edited

Did you miss the part where I was replying specifically to a post about judaism or are you trying to start an argument when there isn't one?

Werweisswohin · 21/07/2024 08:12

LynetteScavo · 21/07/2024 07:56

@Werweisswohin questioning a belief system isn't intolerance. Ridiculing one is.

As long as we don't attempt to stop people practising their choice of religion/belief system, or treat them in an inferior way (eg don't employ them due to their religion), then any form of questioning is fine - many people do find religion ridiculous and it's perfectly ok to express that.

BarHumbugs · 21/07/2024 08:08

LynetteScavo · 21/07/2024 07:56

@Werweisswohin questioning a belief system isn't intolerance. Ridiculing one is.

Why? Being able to laugh at ourselves is a huge part of British culture! It's not intolerant to include religion in that, not including it is verging on anti-British!

LynetteScavo · 21/07/2024 07:56

@Werweisswohin questioning a belief system isn't intolerance. Ridiculing one is.

RampantIvy · 21/07/2024 07:55

Well said @LynetteScavo

Treating someone in an inferior way simply because they follow judaism would be anti-semitic. The same applies to islam.

And other religions @Werweisswohin

Werweisswohin · 21/07/2024 07:53

LynetteScavo · 21/07/2024 07:41

I think the way different religions are ridiculed on MN is subtly different. Christians are more likely to be laughed at for having. "Imaginary sky friends" whereas Jews and Muslims will be ridiculed more for cultural practices. The lack of tolerance and understanding for religion on MN is quite breathtaking at times. I meet people in RL who have a lack of understanding, but not the lack of tolerance. Maybe the people I associate with in RL are more open minded and kinder than some MNetters.

I sometimes quite enjoy some of the rude comments as it shows posters up as the unpleasant people they really are.

Questioning a belief system isn't intolerance.
The main person 'showing themselves up' on this thread is actually a christian.
Next.

LynetteScavo · 21/07/2024 07:41

I think the way different religions are ridiculed on MN is subtly different. Christians are more likely to be laughed at for having. "Imaginary sky friends" whereas Jews and Muslims will be ridiculed more for cultural practices. The lack of tolerance and understanding for religion on MN is quite breathtaking at times. I meet people in RL who have a lack of understanding, but not the lack of tolerance. Maybe the people I associate with in RL are more open minded and kinder than some MNetters.

I sometimes quite enjoy some of the rude comments as it shows posters up as the unpleasant people they really are.

Werweisswohin · 21/07/2024 07:31

Any religion or belief system must be open to questioning. It's unrealistic to say any religion or belief system should be immune.

In terms of judaism specifically, questioning the belief system itself definitely isn't anti-semitic.

Treating someone in an inferior way simply because they follow judaism would be anti-semitic.

The same applies to islam.

(Does anyone also not think it odd than many religions see women as inferior to men?)

BarHumbugs · 21/07/2024 07:16

79Helene · 20/07/2024 23:52

No we don't have to follow it, and yes we do have a say in the matter. However, Jewish ethnicity is strongly linked to the religion through family, culture, heritage, customs and a very long history of persecution, so I'd suggest comparing it to Jedi'ism is both flippant and offensive. And given that you actually had to ask these questions suggest that you don't know what you're talking about and are therefore in no position to make such a crude and ridiculous comparison, as PP said.

Oh come on! All religions have cultural links, Judaism more so than most admittedly, but it doesn't make Judaism off limits. You can't just give a religion special status, no matter how persecuted our ancestors were.

Werweisswohin · 21/07/2024 06:27

Limesodaagain · 21/07/2024 01:01

Your idiocy left me speechless

That's the second time you've resorted to swearing when you don't agree with someone!
(MN deleted the first outburst).
You being speechless does not make @BansheesOfEdSheeran an idiot.

Werweisswohin · 21/07/2024 06:24

BansheesOfEdSheeran · 21/07/2024 00:56

Interesting edit you did there...

Indeed.
Clicking on 'edited' allows us to see it though.
Swearing (again).

Werweisswohin · 21/07/2024 06:21

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 21/07/2024 00:32

@Singersong The Lord God Almighty, the Creator of all, my Lord Jesus is above all the mudslinging and name-calling and lie-telling and truth-twisting. We are warned that we live in an age where this happens and it will get worse. Those who do it and those who mock Him will one day have to answer for their words and actions. That's good enough for me for it all to be water off this Christian's duck's back and for me not to be lead astray by any 'piss-taking'.

That's just an elaborate story, like all the other stories about mythical gods - what makes you think your version of a god is more real than any other version?

Werweisswohin · 21/07/2024 06:19

pikkumyy77 · 20/07/2024 23:16

The fact that you think Christianity is seen as a white religion says a lot about you.

Eh?
I didn't say that 'christianity is a white religion', because it isn't!
I simply said not to confuse race with religion.
It might help to actually read the words.

BansheesOfEdSheeran · 21/07/2024 01:15

Funny. It's inconceivable for anyone to be rude when it's about your pet subject, but suddenly it's fine to be rude about other people when it's not you.

I think the word is "hypocrisy"...

Limesodaagain · 21/07/2024 01:01

BansheesOfEdSheeran · 21/07/2024 00:56

Interesting edit you did there...

Your idiocy left me speechless