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Why do you allow people to attack and ridicule Christianity?

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Singersong · 18/07/2024 06:45

Time and time again I see people taking the absolute piss out of Christianity. Calling people delusional and saying it's made up bullshit etc. why do you allow this? I don't see this about any other religion.

It goes far beyond atheism and you claim to be against hate speech.

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Sandyankles · 18/07/2024 08:22

OP - perhaps if you could share some examples of hate speech against Christians on mumsnet people might be more sympathetic.
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MrsBrightsidde · 18/07/2024 08:20

Singersong · 18/07/2024 08:12

To be honest I'm fully willing to accept I shouldn't have sunk to that level but it's appalling the things people will willing say.

But it’s not limited to Christianity at all OP, and it’s very short sighted for you to say that.

Muslims are often criticised on MN and exposed to nasty Islamophobia. The second anyone brings up an issue in a relationship with a Muslim man or there’s a crime involving one and you can guarantee there will be countless comments generalising all Muslims. Even when someone starts something positive, there will be comments along the lines of sky fairies.

Jews have had months of anti semitism following what’s happened with Gaza, and because it’s disguised as targeting Israel, MN turns a blind eye (I do not believe criticism Israel is anti Semitic, far from it, they deserve the criticism, but many posts are anti semitism in disguise).

So no, it is not just Christianity and if anything, when Christianity is mocked, it has the most defenders on here as opposed to those defending Muslims or Jews.

Sandyankles · 18/07/2024 08:19

Singer - I’m glad you acknowledge that.

what are the appalling things people say? Are they actual threats? Or are they just comments you don’t want to hear?

I would absolutely defend your freedom to believe what you want (as long as it doesn’t harm others) but reading comments from anonymous people on the internet calling these same beliefs delusional/ medieval/ sky fairies etc is in no way a threat or hate speech and if you are certain in your faith should have no effect on you. Perhaps you feel uncomfortable reading them because of an element of cognitive dissonance?

Religion is a lifestyle choice.

Werweisswohin · 18/07/2024 08:19

Singersong · 18/07/2024 08:16

Hate to be a flouncer but I'm probably just going to hide the thread. People on here actually seem to take joy in taking the piss out of Christians and it's disgusting.

I have not called for an end to free speech but there's a difference between free speech and hate speech.

This was not started as a debate on religion, I was specifically asking MN why they allow what they do.

Did you expect an echo chamber?

BeautyGoesToBenidorm · 18/07/2024 08:17

Coconutter24 · 18/07/2024 07:41

“I don't see this about any other religion.”

Really??

Yeeeeeeah... I'm Jewish and we're not liked very much 😅😅

My 13yo is the only Jewish kid in his school. He's been subjected to anti-Semitic bullying, which broke my heart.

A Holocaust survivor I knew had her windows smashed in and swastikas spraypainted on her front door.

I'd say that's persecution!

Marblessolveeverything · 18/07/2024 08:16

Singersong · 18/07/2024 07:26

This is a Christian country. But yes, all other major religions are discussed and celebrated in schools. Well at least, they are around here. A lot of time was spend on Diwali/Eid.

How is it you think that they shouldn't do a nativity play but I assume you have no problem with them celebrating Christmas. Knowledge is power. As children we are taught the religion of this country so that as adults we have the knowledge to decide whether or not to follow that faith.

And that is the issue. It should not be the default why does my atheist belief get trodden on and my children's on in their formative years?

I am Irish, I am one of the tiny fortune few who have secured the right to have my children educated outside Christian indoctrination. And trust me as a survivor of "catholic" school it is pure indoctrination. Prays morning, lunch, evening. Ingrained on my brain.

You do know that there is no way for people to revoke the record of being Catholic. It makes no difference what my beliefs are, I am screwed as being recorded Catholic and can't have it removed. Tell me how on earth that is allowed stand?

There should be separation of religion from state, education, health and law. That is why there is such emotive response to Christian.

And Christmas was a well established pagan, pre religious celebration before Christians came along and hijacked it.

So yes I am more respectful of other religions as they don't do any of the above nor try to control laws.

HowardTJMoon · 18/07/2024 08:16

Singersong · 18/07/2024 08:12

To be honest I'm fully willing to accept I shouldn't have sunk to that level but it's appalling the things people will willing say.

Maybe you should practise some Christian forgiveness

Singersong · 18/07/2024 08:16

Hate to be a flouncer but I'm probably just going to hide the thread. People on here actually seem to take joy in taking the piss out of Christians and it's disgusting.

I have not called for an end to free speech but there's a difference between free speech and hate speech.

This was not started as a debate on religion, I was specifically asking MN why they allow what they do.

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BarHumbugs · 18/07/2024 08:15

Singersong · 18/07/2024 07:45

Not criticism. Hate speech, which already exists.

But what you have mentioned is not hate speech, it is mainly mockery.

Werweisswohin · 18/07/2024 08:13

Singersong · 18/07/2024 08:12

To be honest I'm fully willing to accept I shouldn't have sunk to that level but it's appalling the things people will willing say.

You cannot criticise others for doing something and then do it yourself.
People are entitled to believe what they want.

Singersong · 18/07/2024 08:12

Sandyankles · 18/07/2024 08:09

Singersong- but….

That’s your OPINION that they are ‘childish and stupid’.

It’s my opinion that belief in God (any god) is, to use your words ‘childish and stupid’. childish because it’s so clearly a folktale and stupid because it implies a lack of critical thinking.

That is the rudest I’ve ever been about Christianity- please note that it is only in response to OPs lack of understanding and tolerance that we are allowed to have and express different opinions in this country (thank made-up-God!) as an example of her contradictory thinking.

To be honest I'm fully willing to accept I shouldn't have sunk to that level but it's appalling the things people will willing say.

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Werweisswohin · 18/07/2024 08:11

Rainbowsponge · 18/07/2024 08:06

Yes but would you be as quick to say that to a Muslim, Hindu or Jew?

I think all religion is man made.
I also believe in people's right to follow what ever religion they chose.
I won't actively try to stop anyone practising but will give my honest opinion if asked.

MrsBrightsidde · 18/07/2024 08:11

Rainbowsponge · 18/07/2024 08:06

Yes but would you be as quick to say that to a Muslim, Hindu or Jew?

On MN, people do say it all the time. It’s definitely not limited to Christianity like OP claims.

HowardTJMoon · 18/07/2024 08:10

Singersong · 18/07/2024 08:04

No. I am comfortable calling childish and stupid people, childish and stupid.

I'm comfortable calling people who hold delusional beliefs delusional.

Glad we've got that cleared up.

CurlewKate · 18/07/2024 08:10

@Rainbowsponge "Yes but would you be as quick to say that to a Muslim, Hindu or Jew?"

If they tried to tell me that their truth was absolute and they deserved privileged treatment in society, because of it, then yes.

BeautyGoesToBenidorm · 18/07/2024 08:10

AppleStrudel23 · 18/07/2024 07:06

I think the issue is Christianity is the most persecuted religion in the world you can look it up, there are often killings of Christian's and attacks and we never hear about them. But a non violent anti Islam action (still completely wrong) is all over our media.

"Nigeria remains the deadliest place for Christians, with 4,118 Christians murdered for their faith there from October 2022 through September 2023,"

"This number was supported by the Center for the Study of Global Christianity at the evangelical Gordon–Conwell Theological Seminary in Massachusetts, which published a statement in December 2016 stating that "between 2005 and 2015 there were 900,000 Christian martyrs worldwide – an average of 90,000 per year.""

"The Internationale Gesellschaft für Menschenrechte[347] – the International Society for Human Rights – in Frankfurt, Germany, is a non-governmental organization with 30,000 members from 38 countries who monitor human rights. In September 2009, then chairman Martin Lessenthin,[348] issued a report estimating that 80% of acts of religious persecution around the world were aimed at Christians at that time."

So these are Christian's directly killed for their faith.

The Armenian Genocide goes largely unrecognised, but it's another case of Christians being murdered for their beliefs. It was utterly tragic.

Sandyankles · 18/07/2024 08:09

Singersong- but….

That’s your OPINION that they are ‘childish and stupid’.

It’s my opinion that belief in God (any god) is, to use your words ‘childish and stupid’. childish because it’s so clearly a folktale and stupid because it implies a lack of critical thinking.

That is the rudest I’ve ever been about Christianity- please note that it is only in response to OPs lack of understanding and tolerance that we are allowed to have and express different opinions in this country (thank made-up-God!) as an example of her contradictory thinking.

Werweisswohin · 18/07/2024 08:09

Singersong · 18/07/2024 08:06

It's got nothing to do with their belief in God and everything to do with their smart arse insults about sky fairies. I didn't say religion should be free from criticism, in fact I think it's important to do so. But when the line is crossed to hate speech then that's too far.

Wow, 'smart arse' now.
You cannot control what others think, much as you seem to think you can.

GiftOrNoGift · 18/07/2024 08:09

SidekickSylvia · 18/07/2024 07:00

I agree, op. For a Christian country it's surprising that all religions are respected, other than Christianity by the general population.

Define “christian country”

Werweisswohin · 18/07/2024 08:08

Singersong · 18/07/2024 08:04

No. I am comfortable calling childish and stupid people, childish and stupid.

Well maybe atheists are comfortable in their assertions about the man made god we're apparently not allowed to criticise?
You can't call 'hate speech' and then be downright disrespectful to others.

sunshinegrey · 18/07/2024 08:07

Are you talking about the God who chose the RF to being born in a obscene opulent life style and let them keep it while millions of others have been suffering all manner of hardship throughout the ages?
The same one who let the PoW heal in comfort with the best care in the world while others can’t even get an appt? (by the way is she on sick pay or not? is her money reduced while she is out of work? is sick leave a ‘rhing’ for her?

Or

Are you talking about the God who spared Donald T’s life but allowed an ex firefighter die while he protected his wife and daughter?

Rainbowsponge · 18/07/2024 08:06

foothandmouth · 18/07/2024 06:50

Well
Personally. I think people who believe in any religion are delusional! Is that better

Yes but would you be as quick to say that to a Muslim, Hindu or Jew?

AtrociousCircumstance · 18/07/2024 08:06

@Singersong I understand you’re very upset and passionate about this but stifling the free speech of others is not a good thing. It really isn’t.

And I say that as someone who sees the beauty in Christianity.

BitOutOfPractice · 18/07/2024 08:06

You see I think right there is Christianity’s problem. It has been for thousands of years. Believe what I believe or you’re wrong.

Singersong · 18/07/2024 08:06

Werweisswohin · 18/07/2024 08:03

You're calling people 'childish and stupid' (and other things) just because they don't believe in your god, yet we're not allowed to say who ridiculous we find your god concept? That's not how free speech works.

It's got nothing to do with their belief in God and everything to do with their smart arse insults about sky fairies. I didn't say religion should be free from criticism, in fact I think it's important to do so. But when the line is crossed to hate speech then that's too far.

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