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Why do you allow people to attack and ridicule Christianity?

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Singersong · 18/07/2024 06:45

Time and time again I see people taking the absolute piss out of Christianity. Calling people delusional and saying it's made up bullshit etc. why do you allow this? I don't see this about any other religion.

It goes far beyond atheism and you claim to be against hate speech.

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SheilaFentiman · 18/07/2024 10:21

Of course, as a British atheist, I am concerned about how the Christian traditions (mentioned by others) eg daily act of worship in schools being mandated if not practised, head of state being anointed by an archbishop in an abbey, national anthem exhorting (the Christian) God to save him, Sunday trading hours etc impact my family.

lots of us, even if not “raised Christian”, went to brownies, got married in a church, were christened - of course we have strong knowledge and opinions based on this background familiarity.

Same as my opinion on the British monarchy is far stronger than my opinion on the Dutch monarchy.

I’m not sure why this is a surprise to OP.

HowardTJMoon · 18/07/2024 10:21

bryceQ · 18/07/2024 09:44

You're entitled to think that, I did a degree and masters in history and it's still my opinion that something so pivotal to who we are as a nation is something to have respect for. I'm not trying to enforce my opinion.

There are many things that are pivotal to the history of us as a nation but that does not mean that those things necessarily require respect. In-fighting between different factions of the royal family. Colonialism. Slavery. Class. I think you get my point.

RampantIvy · 18/07/2024 10:18

I used to love watching Dave Allen. He used to mock the pope and the Catholic religion all the time. Could any comedian get away with doing this to Islamic or Jewish leaders?

Sprogonthetyne · 18/07/2024 10:14

inamarina · 18/07/2024 09:11

state schools must have daily worship

I keep seeing these claims on threads like this one, and I honestly wonder what people mean?
Our kids are in state schools (both primary and secondary), and they never mentioned daily worship (or any worship at all).
I’ve asked them about it and they didn’t know what I meant.

business opening is based round your schedule

In the UK? I live in England and was in Germany before that.
Over there most shops did close on Sundays, but it’s definitely not the case here.

And also

Sunday Trading Act 1994

Shops over 280 square metres:
can open on Sundays but only for 6 consecutive hours between 10am and 6pm

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1994/20/contents

RampantIvy · 18/07/2024 10:09

Having said that I see mostly mockery of Christianity but a hatred of other religions

I agree.

Werweisswohin · 18/07/2024 10:07

bryceQ · 18/07/2024 09:28

I am not Christian but I think considering our entire cultural, social, legal and political history and more is deeply embedded and intertwined within Christianity it's really silly to be so disparaging of it. It's worthy of respect whatever your views.

It's not.

SpylandRing · 18/07/2024 09:59

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BarHumbugs · 18/07/2024 09:57

bryceQ · 18/07/2024 09:44

You're entitled to think that, I did a degree and masters in history and it's still my opinion that something so pivotal to who we are as a nation is something to have respect for. I'm not trying to enforce my opinion.

You could make the same argument for colonisation, war and the slave trade.

Sprogonthetyne · 18/07/2024 09:53

inamarina · 18/07/2024 09:11

state schools must have daily worship

I keep seeing these claims on threads like this one, and I honestly wonder what people mean?
Our kids are in state schools (both primary and secondary), and they never mentioned daily worship (or any worship at all).
I’ve asked them about it and they didn’t know what I meant.

business opening is based round your schedule

In the UK? I live in England and was in Germany before that.
Over there most shops did close on Sundays, but it’s definitely not the case here.

It's literally the law. Education act 1996

385 Collective worship.

(1)Subject to section 389, all pupils in attendance at a maintained school other than a maintained special school shall on each school day take part in an act of collective worship

385 (2)The collective worship required in the school by section 385 shall be wholly or mainly of a broadly Christian character.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1996/56/part/V/chapter/III/crossheading/religious-worship/1998-01-27?view=plain

Marblessolveeverything · 18/07/2024 09:46

HeySummerWhereAreYou · 18/07/2024 08:22

YANBU and I 100% agree @Singersong Hatred and mocking against ANY other religion would simply not be tolerated. The posts would be deleted. Some of the comments on MN (from some posters) about Christianity are disgusting. Yet they never seem to be deleted.

Osco · Today 07:03

I agree. The keyboard warriors aren’t brave enough to attack Islam or Judaism. Christianity is an easy target probably because they’re not informed enough to be able to question other religions.

100% this. ^

Or their religion doesn't impact my families education, health choices, ?

I have yet to have my children be forced to attend a Muslim school due to where I live?

I have yet to have to explicitly state to a Rabbi to not pray over me coming out of surgery. Yet these are the real life examples with Christian clergy.

Your right to practice whatever religion should not trample in my rights not to. So maybe reflect on where your religion is invading others autonomy.

Hatfullofwillow · 18/07/2024 09:46

Why does it bother you? Presumably you believe you'll get your reward for your religious devotion after you die and the unbelievers will be punished for their wickedness?

This seems a pretty common theme amongst the Abrahamic religions, as does the fact that the most hostility seems to come from either sects within their own religions or from opposing Abrahamic religions, not from atheists or agnostics.

Sd352 · 18/07/2024 09:46

Anti-semitism is rife on this site. There was a recent thread on the Ambani wedding which was brimming with Hindu phobia. You probably notice comments against Christian more because we all have that cognitive bias where we notice things that matter to us more. Also, in absolute numbers, Christianity makes up the largest religion in this country so while other religions get their own dose of hate from others, Christianity probably gets it more in amount of numbers.

bryceQ · 18/07/2024 09:44

You're entitled to think that, I did a degree and masters in history and it's still my opinion that something so pivotal to who we are as a nation is something to have respect for. I'm not trying to enforce my opinion.

BarHumbugs · 18/07/2024 09:41

bryceQ · 18/07/2024 09:28

I am not Christian but I think considering our entire cultural, social, legal and political history and more is deeply embedded and intertwined within Christianity it's really silly to be so disparaging of it. It's worthy of respect whatever your views.

I think we have moved past that, we don't really have most biblical laws now. Adultery, blasphemy, eating shellfish, polycotton, homosexuality, sodomy... are all legal now but against the bible's teachings. And the slave trade is illegal. I do not think a book/religion that can be used to argue FOR slavery is worthy of any respect.

namechange1986 · 18/07/2024 09:40

I think Christianity can be useful to some, and provide: comfort, strength, moral compass, sense of community.

Personally, I think it's entirely made-up and a higher power doesn't exist. I also think it's used to control the masses and brainwash people.

Why should people not be allowed to be critical? Catholicism doesn't exactly have a great track record. I'll criticise any religion that doesn't support abortion and women's rights over their own bodies.

MadYoke · 18/07/2024 09:40

bryceQ · 18/07/2024 09:28

I am not Christian but I think considering our entire cultural, social, legal and political history and more is deeply embedded and intertwined within Christianity it's really silly to be so disparaging of it. It's worthy of respect whatever your views.

I don't feel it's worthy of respect given its appalling history. I am polite to believers, though.

Treaclewell · 18/07/2024 09:34

I do think that individual teachers should be monitored in their teaching of RE carefully. One of ours neglected to use the words "Christians believe" before statements of faith children wrote in their books. Because they believed whatever it was, don't think it was as bad as six day creation, I didn't sidle up to the RE Cordinator and point it out. Much worse was the case at the local secondary school where a boy said in class he was an atheist and so were his parents, and the teacher then said they were going to hell. He was found crying in the cloakroom, and it took another member of staff a whole period to talk him down. Another of ours wouldn't go on a trip to the gurdwara as it "was full of demons". Funny that, I'd have thought if she knew she was on the right side in the holy war, she'd have known Jesus had already defeated them.
There are people with strange beliefs out there. If they stick to the curriculum and the RE advisors, it should be OK, though I'm not sure how the academies teach it. Our advisor pointed out that broadly Christian included Quaker practice, so silence would be acceptable.
(Though it helps to bring other staff along with it. I once led an assembly where I had them in silence thinking about the theme, and a colleague burst out of her classroom shrieking at a child who had not put his hands together and closed his eyes. Which I hadn't asked them to do.)

DysmalRadius · 18/07/2024 09:28

Singersong · 18/07/2024 08:12

To be honest I'm fully willing to accept I shouldn't have sunk to that level but it's appalling the things people will willing say.

So you said something much harsher and more offensive than you would usually in response to comments suggesting that someone else's beliefs trump yours? 🤔

bryceQ · 18/07/2024 09:28

I am not Christian but I think considering our entire cultural, social, legal and political history and more is deeply embedded and intertwined within Christianity it's really silly to be so disparaging of it. It's worthy of respect whatever your views.

MadYoke · 18/07/2024 09:28

I grew up in a monotheistic state where Catholicism was given special status so I have a particular resentment and dislike of it. I often express this. I feel that's fine actually.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 18/07/2024 09:21

I don't think so. They have assemblies, but they aren't religious. I went to secondary school in the 1970s and we stopped having religious assemblies in my second or third year there.

Are there any teachers on here who can confirm that non religious state schools don't force religion on school children any more?

They are still supposed to have a daily act of worship, but unless the Head is religious, I think most schools just quietly ignore it. I teach at a very multicultural and multi-faith school. I don't really see how we could have an inclusive daily act of worship. It'san absolutely crazy rule. here

Collective worship in schools

Guidance for local-authority-maintained schools on providing a daily act of collective worship.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/collective-worship-in-schools

OpizpuHeuvHiyo · 18/07/2024 09:19

@RampantIvy your description of how Christianity is treated at non-church state schools is what it ought to be like but this is not true in practice. My DCs primary school is not a church school but it had significant amounts of Christian practice regularly including regular whole-school services at the local church at which the minister would be openly teaching Christian beliefs as fact, they were not being taught about Christianity in the same way as other religions.

Legally, all all state schools (not just church schools) are supposed to provide an act of “collective worship” that is “broadly Christian” every day. Whether or not this happens and how much the Christianity is pushed seems to be a matter of choice from the head teacher. This seems antithetical to the concept of freedom of religion in my view.

whatsappdoc · 18/07/2024 09:17

@RampantIvy
A non-religious school is as religious as the HT. A school where I worked had us chanting prayers twice a day and Grace before lunch (before the latter was thrown out by the governing body). So even a community school is not safe from indoctrination.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 18/07/2024 09:16

state schools must have daily worship

I keep seeing these claims on threads like this one, and I honestly wonder what people mean?
Our kids are in state schools (both primary and secondary), and they never mentioned daily worship (or any worship at all).
I’ve asked them about it and they didn’t know what I meant.

They are meant to, but the ones I've worked in recently certainly don't.

Towerofsong · 18/07/2024 09:13

Fargo79 · 18/07/2024 06:55

She doesn't. She is absolutely correct that nobody on here would ever call a Muslim or a Sikh or a Jew delusional or stupid or any of the other things that are frequently said about Christians. "Special status" implies that everyone is currently recieving equal treatment and OP wants something different. That's not the case. She is asking for the same level of courtesy that is afforded to people of other religions who post on MN.

Not sure this is helpful to OP but people are bashing Jews on here all the time. They just usually use code words /dog whistles to get away with it.