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Why do you allow people to attack and ridicule Christianity?

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Singersong · 18/07/2024 06:45

Time and time again I see people taking the absolute piss out of Christianity. Calling people delusional and saying it's made up bullshit etc. why do you allow this? I don't see this about any other religion.

It goes far beyond atheism and you claim to be against hate speech.

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whatsappdoc · 18/07/2024 18:49

We are a Christian country though. We have a state religion, the Church of England, the monarch is head. Only about 25% of countries in the world have a state religion and we unfortunately are one of them hence the indoctrination in schools and other areas of life where Christianity should have no business.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 18/07/2024 18:13

HowardTJMoon · 18/07/2024 10:58

Here's a fun thing - in England, Scotland and Northern Ireland blasphemy is still against the law. But only if you blaspheme against Christianity.

There is no longer any such offence in Scotland.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 18/07/2024 18:07

Can we please give this "the UK is a Christian country" stuff a rest?

It is not.

Christianity is the single largest religion, but it's barely 50% of the population claiming to actually be Christians, the State is secular for the most part, and being the single largest religion does not grant Christians any right whatsoever to claim hegemony over the entirety of the UK. The Monarch is no longer "defender of the faith", singular, so even the Crown has woken up to the fact the UK is not "a Christian country".

And Christians wonder why they continuously get on everyone else's nerves and then go bleating about being told to take a hike?

Trinity65 · 18/07/2024 17:57

Singersong · 18/07/2024 07:26

This is a Christian country. But yes, all other major religions are discussed and celebrated in schools. Well at least, they are around here. A lot of time was spend on Diwali/Eid.

How is it you think that they shouldn't do a nativity play but I assume you have no problem with them celebrating Christmas. Knowledge is power. As children we are taught the religion of this country so that as adults we have the knowledge to decide whether or not to follow that faith.

The first part of your post re Schools and Religion

Way back in the early 80s I was at a Catholic Secondary and (I think in the 4th Year, now Year 10) we started to learn of other religions and their Religious Holidays and Festivals etc
I found it really interesting and, to my complete shock, got a Grade 1 in CSE Religion

SpylandRing · 18/07/2024 17:30

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JassyRadlett · 18/07/2024 14:32

Katiesaidthat · 18/07/2024 10:37

Also because being that rude about judaism would come under antisemitism. Saying that in public about islam could be extremely bad for your general health and Christians are easy peasy targets.

It's absolutely fine to say that the Torah and Quran are fictional and that you think the belief system is misguided and deeply problematic. All three Abrahamic religions have deep roots in misogyny which deserve to be called out wherever they are perpetuated, for one. There are also mad inconsistencies within each holy text and it's fine to point that out. Some people will take offence, sure, but it's entirely reasonable to examine and question belief systems.

Where it's not ok is to say that Jews control the media, or that Muslims are terrorist rapists, or that Catholics endorse paedophilia. Some people do say those things, those people are bigoted arses.

It gets muddier, of course, that as well as Judaism being a religion, being Jewish is a recognised ethnicity, just as in the U.K. being Muslim is heavily associated with certain ethnicities, tying up religion with race in a way that isn't true for Christianity.

The success of Christianity being so heavily tied to colonialism and European expansion is that there is no real racial or ethnic correlation with Christianity, because of its broad geographical base.

Coconutter24 · 18/07/2024 13:34

BeautyGoesToBenidorm · 18/07/2024 08:17

Yeeeeeeah... I'm Jewish and we're not liked very much 😅😅

My 13yo is the only Jewish kid in his school. He's been subjected to anti-Semitic bullying, which broke my heart.

A Holocaust survivor I knew had her windows smashed in and swastikas spraypainted on her front door.

I'd say that's persecution!

Maybe OP should read other people’s experiences and stop being ignorant to them of course this (wrongly) happens to all religions.

Im sorry to read all the above, some people are just awful!

TinkerTiger · 18/07/2024 11:57

Getonwitit · 18/07/2024 11:14

What has someone's colour got to do with Islam? And why do you assume everyone who is brown are Muslims?

Direct those questions to the people that make the comments. I’m not the one making those assumptions 🙄

There was a post a while back about someone who was a professed Christian and because of their colour (brown!) and ethnicity people were still saying they must have converted.

BarHumbugs · 18/07/2024 11:53

Rainydayinlondon · 18/07/2024 11:26

I have also seen this especially around Easter/Christmas. There is lots of scoffing, some of it quite offensive, around the religious beliefs behind those celebrations which is not quite so much in evidence around the festivals of other religions.

What do you mean? Easter and Christmas ARE the festivals of other religions, they didn't even bother to change the name of Easter!

Christians are always quick to say 'well I bet you celebrate Easter/Christmas' like most of the traditions at that time of the year are ANYTHING to do with Christianity. No wonder we scoff.

SummerSnowstorm · 18/07/2024 11:51

People generally view all relgions equally if they have a logical mind. You're probably just sensitive to Christianity being mentioned if you believe in it.
To try and understand why, imagine how you'd feel about an adult believing in santa still. It's hard to fathom how it's even possible to believe.

AtrociousCircumstance · 18/07/2024 11:46

@labtest57 She expressed her anger and annoyance via that opinion, and those who talk about sky fairies do the same. You cannot and should not police people expressing their ideas. You don’t have to like it.

CurlewKate · 18/07/2024 11:43

@Rainydayinlondon "I have also seen this especially around Easter/Christmas. There is lots of scoffing, some of it quite offensive, around the religious beliefs behind those celebrations which is not quite so much in evidence around the festivals of other religions."

That is presumably because in the UK Christmas and Easter are for very many, perhaps a majority of people secular celebrations with Christian roots. (Please nobody go on about them being originally Pagan, which is true but tedious). I know that many culturally Jewish people regard their festivals similarly. I don't know whether there are Muslims that feel the same way. The point is that neither Jewish or Muslim festivals are part of majority UK society. Christmas and Easter are.

isthesolution · 18/07/2024 11:40

I was brought up Christian.

Then I realised that there are lots of other religions too. And everyone believes they are right which means MOST of them are wrong! And, given the number of religions, it's statistically very likely that it is your religion that is wrong (because if there's say 15 religions then there's only a 1 in 15 chance you are right) This massively changed my views.

I think all religions take criticism though. I don't think it's specific to one.

Rainydayinlondon · 18/07/2024 11:26

CurlewKate · 18/07/2024 07:00

"She is absolutely correct that nobody on here would ever call a Muslim or a Sikh or a Jew delusional or stupid or any of the other things that are frequently said about Christians."

If members of those religions posted claiming that their religion was the absolute truth and asking for special privileges in society then I would be happy and willing to challenge them, but so far they haven't. Christians frequently do.

I have also seen this especially around Easter/Christmas. There is lots of scoffing, some of it quite offensive, around the religious beliefs behind those celebrations which is not quite so much in evidence around the festivals of other religions.

Shaketherombooga · 18/07/2024 11:24

Rainbowsponge · 18/07/2024 08:06

Yes but would you be as quick to say that to a Muslim, Hindu or Jew?

Absolutely. It’s all just all a different version of the same fairytale.

Getonwitit · 18/07/2024 11:14

TinkerTiger · 18/07/2024 07:56

I don't see this about any other religion.

Then you don't read MN very widely. Get on any thread about a brown person committing a crime, the Islamophobes come out rubbing their hands.

What has someone's colour got to do with Islam? And why do you assume everyone who is brown are Muslims?

Creamnose · 18/07/2024 11:13

I agree, I think people attack Christian beliefs in a way they wouldn't dare other religions.

On MN people fall overthemsleves to be super inclusive of all other cultures, but that's it, when people talk about Muslims and Jews, they're really talking about the culture/traditions not the beliefs.

labtest57 · 18/07/2024 11:11

AtrociousCircumstance · 18/07/2024 08:02

So you’re comfortable calling atheists childish and stupid @Singersong ? So you enjoy a bit of hate speech towards others when it suits you?

That's not what the OP said. She said she found comments lime 'Sky Fairy' childish and stupid, and I agree.

HowardTJMoon · 18/07/2024 10:58

Here's a fun thing - in England, Scotland and Northern Ireland blasphemy is still against the law. But only if you blaspheme against Christianity.

Blackcats7 · 18/07/2024 10:57

Well I am an equal opportunities religion mocker and think every single one is utter nonsense. I tend to only say so directly though if, as on a recent Trump thread, somebody quotes the bible instead of making a reasoned point.
I do agree with the pp that in a way it is a backhanded compliment to christianity that people feel safe to mock. Mocking islam can get you mutilated or murdered so many people are too scared to say what they actually think.

CurlewKate · 18/07/2024 10:42

If you lived in a country where Islam was the state religion, then mocking it could lead to arrest or worse. That doesn't mean lots of people in those countries don't want to! Surely Christians in the UK should be proud that the same does not apply here?

Katiesaidthat · 18/07/2024 10:37

Osco · 18/07/2024 07:03

I agree. The keyboard warriors aren’t brave enough to attack Islam or Judaism. Christianity is an easy target probably because they’re not informed enough to be able to question other religions.

Also because being that rude about judaism would come under antisemitism. Saying that in public about islam could be extremely bad for your general health and Christians are easy peasy targets.

DickEmery · 18/07/2024 10:31

Xtianity is the state religion. The monarch is xtian, there are bishops in the house of lords, state funded xtian schools and compulsory xtian religious components to state education curriculum and activities plus xtian components to national political and ceremonial affairs and xtian practical restrictions on public and commercial activities. As an organ of the state, it is open to the same criticism and rhetoric as any other state entity. If the xtian church doesn't like this, it can always hand over its state function.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 18/07/2024 10:31

I don't respect Christianity as such. I do however respect the right of Christians to observe their faith, and I respect some individual Christians as amazing people.

I do not respect any attempts made by Christians (or by people of any other faith) to impose their beliefs and/or religious practices on others. This includes the legally mandated indoctrination of children in state schools.

HowardTJMoon · 18/07/2024 10:25

RampantIvy · 18/07/2024 10:18

I used to love watching Dave Allen. He used to mock the pope and the Catholic religion all the time. Could any comedian get away with doing this to Islamic or Jewish leaders?

Back when Dave Allen was doing that in the 70s and 80s other comedians were being blatantly antisemitic. At the time Islam didn't even really register in the UK.