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Why do you allow people to attack and ridicule Christianity?

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Singersong · 18/07/2024 06:45

Time and time again I see people taking the absolute piss out of Christianity. Calling people delusional and saying it's made up bullshit etc. why do you allow this? I don't see this about any other religion.

It goes far beyond atheism and you claim to be against hate speech.

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ruethewhirl · 20/07/2024 09:56

RampantIvy · 20/07/2024 07:02

anyone believing in an invisible man who lives in the sky and controls all is a bit delusion tbh no matter which religion

It might not be intolerance but it definitely is ridicule and rather patronising and bigoted.
Would you openly say the above to a Muslim or a Jew?

I suspect they would if they're this disrespectful of beliefs they don't personally happen to agree with.

Werweisswohin · 20/07/2024 09:55

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 09:18

It’s fine to disagree- it’s the condescending and mocking language that is objectionable.
As to “indoctrination” - this implies an inability to consider an alternative perspective. I think many atheists are “indoctrinated “ in that they won’t/ can’t consider or respect alternative viewpoints but are very black and white in their thinking.

Did you actually read the words I wrote?

ruethewhirl · 20/07/2024 09:55

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 09:34

intolerance

noun

unwillingness to accept views, beliefs, or behaviour that differ from one's own.
Edited

You beat me to it but I was about to say the same. Of course ridiculing someone's beliefs by talking about an 'invisible man in the sky' is intolerant.

RampantIvy · 20/07/2024 09:49

There is a lack of open mindedness and acceptance on this thread.

I'm not religious, however I don't mock those who are as long as they don't evangelise. It is called respect.

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 09:36

Werweisswohin · 19/07/2024 14:16

This isn't intolerance. 🫣

Yes it is

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 09:34

CurlewKate · 19/07/2024 13:50

@ruethewhirl "Are you always this intolerant?"

Intolerance is trying to stop people believing in what they believe. Or trying to prevent them having civil/human rights because of what they believe.

It is not intolerant to say that you think someone's beliefs are nonsense.

intolerance

noun

unwillingness to accept views, beliefs, or behaviour that differ from one's own.
Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 09:18

Werweisswohin · 20/07/2024 07:14

I firmly believe that all religions are made up. While I don't go about actively telling people this, I will give an honest opinion if asked. I respect that some others may believe in a god figure and holy books and want to practice their religion, however they also have to respect that I (and others) either don't do any of that or actually follow a different religion entirely. I also appreciate that many religious people have been indoctrinated, some without realising it.

It’s fine to disagree- it’s the condescending and mocking language that is objectionable.
As to “indoctrination” - this implies an inability to consider an alternative perspective. I think many atheists are “indoctrinated “ in that they won’t/ can’t consider or respect alternative viewpoints but are very black and white in their thinking.

Werweisswohin · 20/07/2024 07:14

RampantIvy · 20/07/2024 07:02

anyone believing in an invisible man who lives in the sky and controls all is a bit delusion tbh no matter which religion

It might not be intolerance but it definitely is ridicule and rather patronising and bigoted.
Would you openly say the above to a Muslim or a Jew?

I firmly believe that all religions are made up. While I don't go about actively telling people this, I will give an honest opinion if asked. I respect that some others may believe in a god figure and holy books and want to practice their religion, however they also have to respect that I (and others) either don't do any of that or actually follow a different religion entirely. I also appreciate that many religious people have been indoctrinated, some without realising it.

RampantIvy · 20/07/2024 07:02

anyone believing in an invisible man who lives in the sky and controls all is a bit delusion tbh no matter which religion

It might not be intolerance but it definitely is ridicule and rather patronising and bigoted.
Would you openly say the above to a Muslim or a Jew?

Werweisswohin · 19/07/2024 14:16

ruethewhirl · 19/07/2024 12:32

Are you always this intolerant?

This isn't intolerance. 🫣

CurlewKate · 19/07/2024 13:50

@ruethewhirl "Are you always this intolerant?"

Intolerance is trying to stop people believing in what they believe. Or trying to prevent them having civil/human rights because of what they believe.

It is not intolerant to say that you think someone's beliefs are nonsense.

ruethewhirl · 19/07/2024 12:32

Fupoffyagrasshole · 18/07/2024 07:44

anyone believing in an invisible man who lives in the sky and controls all is a bit delusion tbh no matter which religion

Are you always this intolerant?

PaleSunshineOfHope · 19/07/2024 07:16

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 18/07/2024 18:13

There is no longer any such offence in Scotland.

Nor in England and Wales, since 2008.

JassyRadlett · 19/07/2024 01:06

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 19/07/2024 00:59

"We" do not have a "State religion". The Church of England is not the Church of the "UK".

The UK now has two established churches (the other two having been disestablished more than a century ago.) Both are Christian. The Church of England is more entwined with the state, with the monarch at its head (rather than simply being a member as he is with the Church of Scotland) and Anglican bishops in the Lords; conversely the CoS is entirely self-governing without reference to Parliament.

But given that both the established churches are Christian, it is hard to argue that Christianity isn't the religion of the state.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 19/07/2024 01:00

HowardTJMoon · 18/07/2024 21:14

Really? Thanks for the correction. Some progress at least.

Yes, it was abolished when Scotland brought it's Hate Crime legislation in-line with that of England earlier this year.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 19/07/2024 00:59

Getonwitit · 18/07/2024 19:12

We are a Christian country, no matter how many follow that Religion. Our Monarch is the head of the Church of England and by law that makes the UK a Christian country.

"Church of England"

Clue is in the name ffs

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 19/07/2024 00:59

whatsappdoc · 18/07/2024 18:49

We are a Christian country though. We have a state religion, the Church of England, the monarch is head. Only about 25% of countries in the world have a state religion and we unfortunately are one of them hence the indoctrination in schools and other areas of life where Christianity should have no business.

"We" do not have a "State religion". The Church of England is not the Church of the "UK".

JassyRadlett · 19/07/2024 00:03

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This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines. Previously banned poster.

That's going to be fascinating hearing for the majority of the countries with the most Christians.

At any rate, misrepresentation isn't a great look. I didn't say that mocking Islam made a person racist - I simply pointed out that in the UK, Islam is heavily associated with certain ethnicities. You might want to have a read of the first paragraphs of my post where I draw a distinction between being critical of religions and being offensive about followers of those religions.

HowardTJMoon · 18/07/2024 21:14

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 18/07/2024 18:13

There is no longer any such offence in Scotland.

Really? Thanks for the correction. Some progress at least.

Marblessolveeverything · 18/07/2024 20:22

CurlewKate · 18/07/2024 19:18

@Singersong "How is it you think that they shouldn't do a nativity play"

I have no problem with nativity plays. Does anyone?

My children attend a multi denomination school.

Over 16 years in total of school winter plays we have managed to have a wonderful winter themed play without a nativity.Amazingly no one fainted at them.

Every year there is usually a parent in junior infants who arrives and is shocked that their precious child won't get to do a nativity.

Completely ignorant it is a multidenominational school that usually 70,% of the children are not Catholic.🤦‍♀️ No other religion represented have ever asked for anything, only the Catholic cohort, who have a choice of 90% Catholic schools.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 18/07/2024 19:31

I am not Christian but I think considering our entire cultural, social, legal and political history and more is deeply embedded and intertwined within Christianity it's really silly to be so disparaging of it. It's worthy of respect whatever your views.

Why though? Respect in what sense? If you think gods are made up, it would seem odd to be a fan of your laws and society having been based on them. I find religions fascinating from a cultural and psychological perspective, and I understand and appreciate why humans created then and why many still follow them, and I don't hate religious people ir think they must be stupid, but I don't have any respect for the religions or beliefs themselves.

CurlewKate · 18/07/2024 19:18

@Singersong "How is it you think that they shouldn't do a nativity play"

I have no problem with nativity plays. Does anyone?

ruethewhirl · 18/07/2024 19:16

scalt · 18/07/2024 06:59

I’ve noticed this over the years. You can make a bingo card:
Deluded. (On this thread, delusional.)
Imaginary friend.
Indoctrinated.
Fairy tales.

You left out 'sky fairy'. My absolute number 1 hated phrase where religion is concerned. So bloody goady.

Getonwitit · 18/07/2024 19:12

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 18/07/2024 18:07

Can we please give this "the UK is a Christian country" stuff a rest?

It is not.

Christianity is the single largest religion, but it's barely 50% of the population claiming to actually be Christians, the State is secular for the most part, and being the single largest religion does not grant Christians any right whatsoever to claim hegemony over the entirety of the UK. The Monarch is no longer "defender of the faith", singular, so even the Crown has woken up to the fact the UK is not "a Christian country".

And Christians wonder why they continuously get on everyone else's nerves and then go bleating about being told to take a hike?

We are a Christian country, no matter how many follow that Religion. Our Monarch is the head of the Church of England and by law that makes the UK a Christian country.

RampantIvy · 18/07/2024 19:09

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 18/07/2024 18:07

Can we please give this "the UK is a Christian country" stuff a rest?

It is not.

Christianity is the single largest religion, but it's barely 50% of the population claiming to actually be Christians, the State is secular for the most part, and being the single largest religion does not grant Christians any right whatsoever to claim hegemony over the entirety of the UK. The Monarch is no longer "defender of the faith", singular, so even the Crown has woken up to the fact the UK is not "a Christian country".

And Christians wonder why they continuously get on everyone else's nerves and then go bleating about being told to take a hike?

I believe that culturally is is - mainly.

We celebrate Christmas and Easter.

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