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Why do you allow people to attack and ridicule Christianity?

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Singersong · 18/07/2024 06:45

Time and time again I see people taking the absolute piss out of Christianity. Calling people delusional and saying it's made up bullshit etc. why do you allow this? I don't see this about any other religion.

It goes far beyond atheism and you claim to be against hate speech.

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Werweisswohin · 20/07/2024 11:42

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 10:57

Sometimes I do think Its no wonder Christians are fair game 🙄

Eh?

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 11:42

Werweisswohin · 20/07/2024 11:41

Who decides what's 'mocking' though?

“Sky fairy”?
“Delusional “?

Werweisswohin · 20/07/2024 11:42

Prapsfound · 20/07/2024 11:11

@Limesodaagain yes true, it is rude but that’s on them - those people are probably just rude in other walks of life as well. Another point I always think to help myself feel better - at least by taking the piss they are thinking about religion and engaging in a conversation, unlike the majority who don’t give Christ a second thoughts. In the gospels some of the most vehement non believers ended up being converted at the end…just saying ☺️😂

This is such a typical xtian response.

Werweisswohin · 20/07/2024 11:41

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 11:25

It’s completely fine for you to think it’s all a load of absolute tosh ( obviously) All that I’m asking for is that people don’t use mocking language on social media. Obviously- they still will because it’s a free country and I defend the right to free speech- including the right to be rude and offensive.
However - I think it’s better for everyone if we don’t routinely take the piss out of groups we don’t agree with.
Im fine with piss taking in some ways ( I find Ricky Gervais very funny on religion)
I just don’t like the idea that it’s ok in general discourse on social media to take the piss out of someone’s religion.

Who decides what's 'mocking' though?

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 11:41

Werweisswohin · 20/07/2024 11:40

Expressing a view is not 'taking the piss' or discrimination though.

Depends how the view has been expressed- (obviously)

Werweisswohin · 20/07/2024 11:40

Prapsfound · 20/07/2024 10:29

I am Christian and I know what you mean…it doesn’t really bother me too much. My theory is it’s more acceptable for a couple of reasons - 1. Christianity is seen as the ‘established’ religion of the country - so therefore people think it’s ok to take the piss - kind of in the same way as they’d take the piss and ridicule our government etc - we are not routinely discriminated against like some other groups. 2. Christian teaching is very much ‘turn the other cheek’ ‘love your enemies’ , so I think when Christian’s are discriminated against they often will do just that - following Christ’s teaching so don’t ’stick up for themselves’ if that makes sense - which is correct - as a Christian people can attack and take the piss and I always try to respond with gentleness and love, or argue back in a respectful way 🤷‍♀️.

Expressing a view is not 'taking the piss' or discrimination though.

HowardTJMoon · 20/07/2024 11:36

Is it only religion that you think should be protected from mockery or are there other classes of belief you think should be automatically respected?

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 11:25

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 20/07/2024 11:09

The people complaining about a lack of respect for beliefs, where do you draw the line? Would you really respect absolutely any belief for which there was zero proof? For example, do you think that someone who believed in ghosts, unicorns, leprechauns, crazy conspiracy theories or that the world is flat should expect everyone to take those beliefs seriously and respect them? If not, why not?

I know that religious people get very cross about their god(s) being likened to mythical creatures and woo beliefs, but there is no more proof of the existence of god than there is for any of those things. The fact that centuries-old or millennia-old cults have grown up around these invented gods does not change that. Why does Christianity (or any other religion) deserve more respect than those things?

It’s completely fine for you to think it’s all a load of absolute tosh ( obviously) All that I’m asking for is that people don’t use mocking language on social media. Obviously- they still will because it’s a free country and I defend the right to free speech- including the right to be rude and offensive.
However - I think it’s better for everyone if we don’t routinely take the piss out of groups we don’t agree with.
Im fine with piss taking in some ways ( I find Ricky Gervais very funny on religion)
I just don’t like the idea that it’s ok in general discourse on social media to take the piss out of someone’s religion.

Prapsfound · 20/07/2024 11:11

@Limesodaagain yes true, it is rude but that’s on them - those people are probably just rude in other walks of life as well. Another point I always think to help myself feel better - at least by taking the piss they are thinking about religion and engaging in a conversation, unlike the majority who don’t give Christ a second thoughts. In the gospels some of the most vehement non believers ended up being converted at the end…just saying ☺️😂

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 20/07/2024 11:09

The people complaining about a lack of respect for beliefs, where do you draw the line? Would you really respect absolutely any belief for which there was zero proof? For example, do you think that someone who believed in ghosts, unicorns, leprechauns, crazy conspiracy theories or that the world is flat should expect everyone to take those beliefs seriously and respect them? If not, why not?

I know that religious people get very cross about their god(s) being likened to mythical creatures and woo beliefs, but there is no more proof of the existence of god than there is for any of those things. The fact that centuries-old or millennia-old cults have grown up around these invented gods does not change that. Why does Christianity (or any other religion) deserve more respect than those things?

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 11:01

Prapsfound · 20/07/2024 10:57

@Limesodaagain no no not at all! I’m not suggesting that, just making a general point about why Christian’s might be seen as ‘soft targets’ or ribbed for their religion more - I hadn’t even read all your other posts to be honest 🙈. Sorry.

Aah - ok ! I’m just not happy with general piss taking about “sky fairies” etc . It’s ok for people to take the piss privately but it’s aggressively rude to do it directly to a believer

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 10:57

Sometimes I do think Its no wonder Christians are fair game 🙄

Prapsfound · 20/07/2024 10:57

@Limesodaagain no no not at all! I’m not suggesting that, just making a general point about why Christian’s might be seen as ‘soft targets’ or ribbed for their religion more - I hadn’t even read all your other posts to be honest 🙈. Sorry.

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 10:54

Prapsfound · 20/07/2024 10:51

@Limesodaagain yes true, but it depends on how you stand up for yourself. Christ and his disciples were ridiculed mocked and discriminated against and managed to set up a world religion with billions of followers…I guess and example would be - the horrible memes that go round taking the piss out of Jesus, vs the reaction from the Muslim community when people use an image of the prophet Mohammed - often violent. Yes, we should stand up for ourselves but I am a strong believer in non violent and respectful ways - as Christ did. I don’t think we will draw people to Christ by arguing in a nasty or personal way, or appearing self righteous. Also, we have to concede that in this country anyway (not others) we are the established religion so have a lot of rights not afforded to other religions…

Hmm - Not sure I’m following? I am also a believer in non violence- are you suggesting I’ve been nasty, personal or self righteous in asking that courtesy is used in a debate about religion?

Prapsfound · 20/07/2024 10:51

@Limesodaagain yes true, but it depends on how you stand up for yourself. Christ and his disciples were ridiculed mocked and discriminated against and managed to set up a world religion with billions of followers…I guess and example would be - the horrible memes that go round taking the piss out of Jesus, vs the reaction from the Muslim community when people use an image of the prophet Mohammed - often violent. Yes, we should stand up for ourselves but I am a strong believer in non violent and respectful ways - as Christ did. I don’t think we will draw people to Christ by arguing in a nasty or personal way, or appearing self righteous. Also, we have to concede that in this country anyway (not others) we are the established religion so have a lot of rights not afforded to other religions…

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 10:44

Prapsfound · 20/07/2024 10:37

@PaleSunshineOfHope thankyou - that actually means a lot to me 🙏

Christians ( and people of other faiths) are ridiculed, persecuted and discriminated against across the globe . I think it is important to stand up for any group that is being mocked for their beliefs - whether you’re a member of that group or not.

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 10:39

PaleSunshineOfHope · 20/07/2024 10:37

You are a much better advertisement for your faith than some of the easily offended on this thread.

I’m not easily offended. I just think courtesy in dealing with people who think differently from you is preferable

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 10:38

RampantIvy · 20/07/2024 10:08

If someone tried to convert me to their religion I wouldn't tell them they were delusional. I would just say I don't believe in God. That isn't rude or disprespectful.

Agreed. I have no problem with that at all.

Prapsfound · 20/07/2024 10:37

@PaleSunshineOfHope thankyou - that actually means a lot to me 🙏

PaleSunshineOfHope · 20/07/2024 10:37

Prapsfound · 20/07/2024 10:29

I am Christian and I know what you mean…it doesn’t really bother me too much. My theory is it’s more acceptable for a couple of reasons - 1. Christianity is seen as the ‘established’ religion of the country - so therefore people think it’s ok to take the piss - kind of in the same way as they’d take the piss and ridicule our government etc - we are not routinely discriminated against like some other groups. 2. Christian teaching is very much ‘turn the other cheek’ ‘love your enemies’ , so I think when Christian’s are discriminated against they often will do just that - following Christ’s teaching so don’t ’stick up for themselves’ if that makes sense - which is correct - as a Christian people can attack and take the piss and I always try to respond with gentleness and love, or argue back in a respectful way 🤷‍♀️.

You are a much better advertisement for your faith than some of the easily offended on this thread.

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 10:35

Werweisswohin · 20/07/2024 10:20

Respect is letting people express a view and not telling them they are mocking just because you don't like that view.

I have no problem at all with your views . I enjoy having debate with people of all faiths and none.
It is the way views are expressed that is the problem. Many of my friends are atheists but they don’t make fun of my beliefs or use pejorative language to my face because that would be rude. I think that’s just basic manners.

Prapsfound · 20/07/2024 10:29

I am Christian and I know what you mean…it doesn’t really bother me too much. My theory is it’s more acceptable for a couple of reasons - 1. Christianity is seen as the ‘established’ religion of the country - so therefore people think it’s ok to take the piss - kind of in the same way as they’d take the piss and ridicule our government etc - we are not routinely discriminated against like some other groups. 2. Christian teaching is very much ‘turn the other cheek’ ‘love your enemies’ , so I think when Christian’s are discriminated against they often will do just that - following Christ’s teaching so don’t ’stick up for themselves’ if that makes sense - which is correct - as a Christian people can attack and take the piss and I always try to respond with gentleness and love, or argue back in a respectful way 🤷‍♀️.

Werweisswohin · 20/07/2024 10:25

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 10:22

I’m sorry if you’ve met some horrible Christians. We not all the same .
Im sure you do know that using certain language like “delusional “ or “sky fairy” is intended to mock .
I think if you’re honest you think it is OK to mock religion.

All christians believe in sin and saving and that their way is the only way though, not just 'horrible ones'.
Again, expressing an opinion isn't mocking. Read the very sensible reply from MNHQ.

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 10:22

Werweisswohin · 20/07/2024 10:19

Them suggesting it's mocking doesn't mean it is mocking. Expressing an opinion is not mocking.
Christians actually use horrific language to guilt trip people into believing in their god too - telling people they're so full of sin that they need saving, telling people how to live, saying their way is the only way and so on.

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I’m sorry if you’ve met some horrible Christians. We not all the same .
Im sure you do know that using certain language like “delusional “ or “sky fairy” is intended to mock .
I think if you’re honest you think it is OK to mock religion.

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