Corpus 2

Mumsnet still gets a namecheck, I suppose this isn't the final publication so that's perfectly f-i-i-i-ne!

So is this talk now going to be called ‘Changes in Linguistic Transphobia over time 2008-2023’
on June 26th?

@JustineMumsnet
Many thanks for this.
I understand from a response I received this morning to a post of mine I reported that MN did not give permission for the creation of the dataset, and it breaches your T&Cs.

Therefore as I understand it, at this point, Aston is happy to continue to explicitly breach your terms and conditions, by using a dataset scraped without your permission, and as a response to your representations on this matter, is now saying that they will not use your name and logo in the final PhD, thus removing any way of a reader knowing or being able to find out that this data is from a website where the terms and conditions expressly prohibit the collection of the data and the data has been collected without permission.

I mean, I get that this may be one way of addressing privacy and reputation concerns, but actually, if MN is not named in the final publication, this protects Aston from the reputational damage which data scraping without permission would do and which is easy to establish if you know which website has been used.

That said, it would not take a rocket scientist to work out which website is meant, and it would also make any discussion of existing academic literature on MN (of which there is a reasonable amount, also referenced in the ethics form) in the literature review of the PhD a bit oddly placed.

I've just added a summary to one of DNK's threads. Sorry couldn't find a Sarah P one and need to do other stuff now. But I do think named posters should be warned about the defamatory PhD.

I also want to comment that MN is now breaking the terms in place when we signed up. We signed up thinking that this would not be allowed - no data scraping and that we retain copyright of our words. So any legal advice should cover that aspect too.

The first 'set' was the entire fucking site, if I've understood correctly, that Aston had stored offline and were using as a 'sandbox' for testing things out, including I assume their 'can we dox people across platforms' software.

The second set was what the PhD student had copied/downloaded for her own study.

I think that's what they mean, anyway. It's not been terribly well explained.

I would donate to a fund for legal advice.

Aren't they!

FWR fair enough. I'm not happy but it goes with the territory.

Women going through hell with their husband's or parents dealing with young confused children, it's like what's the most amount of damage we can do with one PhD? How many people can we upset in one hit?

How many lives are they happy to put at risk so that someone can get their Fucking PhD?

Can someone please explain (because I don't understand this) why one set of MN data has to be deleted & the other doesn't? What's the difference between them?

Relationships board, where women seek advice on leaving violent and abusive husbands.

Aston: By scraping and using this data, you intrude on women in the most vulnerable and difficult life situations. You risk putting women off from posting in one place where they can get support, advice, information that might help keep them safe.

You are unspeakable fuckers, Aston.

Has Aston stated that no quotes from mumsnet are going in the PhD? It’s going to be difficult to not put any quotes in.

Is Aston aware that as soon as you put that quote in google, mumsnet and the poster will likely appear? Thereby the only way to not ‘out’ anyone is to not use quotes.

Obviously quotes will go in that are Aston-defined as transphobic as per the pre-defined PhD title. Is there a precedent for harassment of that poster, as accusing someone of a crime they didn’t commit is the crime of harassment is it not? Since they know this PhD will be scrutinised, the constant exposure is repetitive.

Can we set up our own gardening for legal advice?

I can't even get my head around Edens board choices to be honest. ...

"I've come home early from a week away with the kids as one broke his arm and found my husband in the bedroom in my knickers and bra and great aunt violets wedding dress with my best makeup smeared all over his face when he was supposed to be at a work conference in scunthorpe.

He's drained the joint account buying 30 dresses and ten pairs of size 13 high heels, and is insisting on living as his true self, that I call him Barbara and the kids call him mummy and if I won't or even think of leaving him he'll tell everyone im a transphobic bitch

Please can someone advise me I feel like I'm losing my mind"

Yay way to go Aston University you morally corrupt arses

And then we'll all be cribbing off you on Monday.

😘

The ICO are very helpful if you ring them and they don't record the initial enquiry calls as far as I recall.

On FWR, definitely. Unfortunately in Relationships the most sensitive threads, on things like supporting people to leave abuse, are the least likely to wander off topic.

I'll be composing a letter over the weekend.

I've just tried and it wont go through without some supporting documentation.

Sigh. I'll try tomorrow when I'm less angry. Trying to not out myself all over the place here.

I don't mean the student, per se. I mean Aston.

I don't think a university should be setting it's students off with a lawsuit against them as they start their career. This should have been binned the moment they were found out.

Has anyone contacted the list of people like Dennis and Sarah above to let them know this is going on?

If it goes ahead this will turn into an absolute shit show!

So a student is still proposing that defamatory PhD? Unbelievable. They're practically asking to be sued.

The ICO said that we could make a complaint directly to them if we weren't able to contact the DPO of Aston.

The thread will be removed if it significantly diverges from this topic.

I still reckon Eden is going to be scuppered by that sentence.

And no one in their right mind is going to do that!

Yeah we can't ask about our data because we'd have to link our real names to the posts.