Corpus 2

THIS.

The very purpose of the PhD is defamatory.

Thank you Justine for the further update. I suspect you wouldn't need help if a court case was in the offing, but if I'm wrong on that, you know how much women on here like to support crowdfunders upholding the safeguarding and rights of women and children. And this would very much qualify.

We made those posts and we don’t consent to Aston using them, for anything. Ever.

Thanks @JustineMumsnet for latest update.

I don’t care about Eden, they along with others at Aston are obviously on a crusade, they’re unhinged to think they can carry on like this, their research is completely flawed, what a absolute shit show, such an embarrassment they are to their field, already many articulate & intelligent women here have exposed the massive flaws in their research but then trans activists don’t care for science & truth do they. They would do well to remember that they are in the UK & not the country that their big state funders come from, laws are different here, shouting transphobic & bigot at every woman who discusses her rights & traumas won’t wash. Think they can carry on with trying to silence our legitimate views that are recognised rightly so under UK law, paint us as the villains, compare us to incels & terrorists, they need to think again.

Examples of threads on 'the wider forum' that make points independently of this issue, but that have been brought up in connection with the problematic 'Corpus' matters, where a few posters wonder about the question of how anonymous or identifiable they are with the posting info they provide:

• Thread with title 'Seeing as it's anonymous, where is your vote going', asking where people are veering politically - many responses.

• Thread that is concerned about intimate photos of body parts being posted for medical points of view, where even GP surgeries advise not to email such material to a doctor for the patient's/ the child of the patient's own good.

In light of the background of the data scraping and awareness of parallel versions of posts that externals are upholding for research purposes separately in a corpus, reading these threads is a sobering experience, as they could be so exposing.

They shouldn't be using it AT ALL.

That's the point.

@JustineMumsnet many thanks for the update, but also how they are proposing to use it/ ensure that no individual can be identified from that use doesn’t feel that this addresses the heart of the problem.

First, just because they anonymise names does not mean that Aston cannot identity posters. Indeed, that is the whole purpose of some of their research. Given that Nicki and Eden have decided that, according to their definition, many posters are transphobic, their ability to identify posters is concerning. Surely we all know that nothing on the internet is completely anonymous depending on the skill of those doing the tracking down and very few MN posters have the tech skills of Lisbeth Salander to hide their digital tracks.

Second, Eden broke at least some of MN T&Cs and the outcome of that ought to be the erasure of that database and not a modification in how they use it. It’s unfortunate that Eden would be unable to complete their PhD in a timely manner but that is the fault/responsibility of their supervisor and the university in approving unethical methodology.

Good to hear this is ongoing, thank you.

Thanks @JustineMumsnet it is helpful and reassuring to know you are still trying to address this egregious data theft. Your last post read as if you were telling us you'd done whatever you could and that was that, so it's good to know it's not over.

Thanks @JustineMumsnet, appreciate this further response.

In my view, years ago, Mumsnet took a remarkably laidback attitude to their mod who doxxed FWR users before leaving her job. And, in the present, they’re taking a remarkably laidback attitude to Aston Uni and Eden’s behaviour towards site users.

Given the behaviour of other tech/social media companies with regard to their users’ data and privacy in recent years, it makes me suspicious re the reticence from Mumsnet to inform all site users, the reticence to fully legally pursue all of these dodgy data misusers, and the reticence to report things to the ICO; it makes me wonder what Mumsnet know about their own data handling processes that they don’t want the public or the ICO to know.

I know it’s often more realistic to assume cock up over conspiracy but Mumsnet’s behaviour (or lack of it) on this issue is not filling me with confidence.

I am completely gobsmacked that this hasn't been announced on the relevant boards. Ideally, everyone who has been impacted should have had a message or an email to alert them.

Quite a lot of users seem dissatisfied with this response.

More would be unhappy if they knew.

I’m not satisfied with Aston or mumsnets responses.

Mumsnet must inform the users of this massive data breach immediately.

Aston Uni & Eden are doing what they want, they don’t care, they need to be outed in the media to highlight their nefarious behaviour, who the funders are, their research is completely flawed, the libelling, harassment & doxxing of users is wholly unethical.

So class action or whatever it is called in the UK?

and I do not give permission for any researchers at Aston to use my post in the PhD. I do not give them permission to try and link me to other accounts or my real life.

Likewise @Iamiams I feel the same.

Sadly, I don’t think they care about consent.

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Who knows, maybe Eden's mum has been on here at some time. Perhaps posting about how her DD thinks biology is a hate crime?

@AstonUniversityScrapedMyCorpus Totally agree. Everyone is live and let live. Then occasionally you or your children are in a vulnerable position and you need advice. And people give advice if they have experience. When it involves parents worried about their children, that’s a new low.

I have done a lot of thinking before and after posting yesterday (12.25) and I do not give permission for any researchers at Aston to use my post in the PhD. I do not give them permission to try and link me to other accounts or my real life. The thing is, if it were not for my family, I probably would.

Aston must realise they are compromising more than just the women talking on here - it will be the lives (and stories) of children now in their teens, twenties and thirties.

I am so glad there are women standing up and talking about these issues in real life. But the vital difference is they don’t expose their families and certainly wouldn’t tell their stories.

Aston are doing the opposite - they are effectively going after the children.

Can Aston ensure that any stories involving children, or people who were children at the time, will not be quoted? Or that people quoted and identified by their quotes, can not be found elsewhere talking about their children? After all, we offer advice and discussion based on our own life experiences that are not repeated in every post.

This network of mums didn’t sign up for this. We would not have exposed our children.

Even if they don’t care about us uppity, dried up terves, they should care about the LGBT kids we talk about on the LGBT Children board.

Unless EP and supervisors are just big ol hypocrites…

Do I want to use ‘gender neutral’ toilets that are private? No.

Nor do I. Nothing to do with trans issues, I just don't want to use the same loo as men because they're diagusting. I had to use some at a Starbucks recently, and the man in the before me had not only failed to lift the seat - and pissed all over it, he'd also pissed right up the lid.

It’s a bit like Kafka’s The Trials. Aston researchers have said mumsnet are definitely guilty but mumsnetters have no idea what the crime is, if they will be tried and no way of having a defence.

The problem with silencing women is we don’t get to tell our stories from a women’s point of view.

When I was much younger, a man in a dress with heavy make-up and stubble masturbated at me, whilst looking straight into my eyes. I couldn’t get away from the ladies toilets fast enough. To put it into context, several years later a man sitting near me in the cinema masturbated whilst we were all watching a film that had naked women in. That’s the two occasions in my life it’s happened to me. The first incident was much scarier because it was directed at me and it was just me and him. I will always remember his eyes and how physically more powerful he was.

Does this make me wary of men in women’s toilets? Yes.
Does this make me more wary if men are wearing dresses and have heavy make up on? Yes.
Does it make me subconsciously look at escape routes and make sure I am visible and not trapped? Yes.
Do I want to use ‘gender neutral’ toilets that are private? No.

But does this make me transphobic? I would argue no, as it is human nature to avoid a future situation on the basis of a prior horrible experience. I doubt the man was thinking he was a woman but what you see with your own eyes and hear with your own ears is what forms how you react in the future.

And it’s not fair if women’s safety can’t be talked about. And I can’t feel safe if a man is given immunity by wearing stereotypically women’s clothes. That is my experience and the only ‘power’ I have in that situation is the ability to talk about it.

I have no idea if the above experiences and reactions falls under Aston/Eden/Nicci’s definition of transphobic. It’s scary if it does because it makes women more helpless.

Agreeing with everything said about the personal sensitivities and indeed dangers here, but I really want the quite shameful academic shoddiness of the whole exercise shown up as well.

I'll just stop posting. Too much faff.

Edited because I added wrong quote

To my sadness, I feel the same Eden. I want my voice to be absent from any future sandboxes.

Which is a shame really. I’ve liked my voice on here.

I’ve been harsh, but fair. I’ve been funny (in my opinion). I’ve been sad and happy. I’ve been a nippyhoor. I’ve imparted wisdom. I’ve made myself look as though I haven’t two brain cells to rub together. I’ve been comforting. A gobshite. A bard.

I’ve been everything I am in real life. And more.

And now someone has made me feel as though they’ve taken that voice for nefarious purposes.

And for the first time in my life, someone has made me go wheesht.

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