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perhaps for our next name change we could all take on various monikers featuring names used by staff at Aston University?

That way anyone googling say, the vice chancellor of Aston’s name online, or the head of forensic linguistics will find loads of statements re: lesbians not having penises.

Mumsnet does very well in the search engine rankings, so we could easily become the top hit.

Fwiw Ms Palmer, Aston University and any person, department or organisation associated with them does not have my permission to use anything I have posted or will post, under any guise, on Mumsnet or any other SM.

Am adding to note the irony of Aston legal person adding this to their letter: The contents of this email and any attachments may be privileged and are
confidential. It may not be disclosed to or used by anyone other than the
addressee, nor copied in any way.

And assert that the contents of all my MN posts and any attachments may be privileged and are confidential. It may not be disclosed to or used by anyone other than the posters on the same thread, nor copied in any way.

Hopefully the last bit covers cutnpasting as well as data scraping.

What these utter fruitloops don't seem to realise, is that if you frame completely normal ideas like, I don't know, not wanting kids sterilised or not wanting rapists in women's prisons as 'far right' or 'transphobic' then at some point normal people are just going to say 'well fine, I guess I'm far right or transphobic then'.

Hence the rise of the 'far right' across Europe in the recent elections.

This PhD won't be worth the paper it is crayoned on.

Apologies for quoting such a long piece of text, but I cannot get my head around a Phd citing a 2001 paper (and not the law) as support for a current data collection method when both the law and the technology have substantially and subsequently changed in the last two decades.

To me, this hints at disingenuous and duplicitous rationalising. It’s as if Eden is aware that they fully intend to reach their pre-determined conclusion before even beginning to collect the data. That is not research.

Eden would’ve greatly benefited from an attempt to deconstruct and recognise their confirmation bias. Eden may well benefit from reading about methodology more widely (perhaps Nikki too) including Popper*. In any event, I’ve come away after reading that foi feeling rather dismissive of linguistics as a discipline if this represents its standard calibre of research.

*If we are uncritical we shall always find what we want: we shall look for, and find, confirmations, and we shall look away from, and not see, whatever might be dangerous to our pet theories. In this way it is only too easy to obtain what appears to be overwhelming evidence in favor of a theory which, if approached critically, would have been refuted.

I seem to have use the word 'link' slight too often for graceful prose, but what the f.

No means No

I don't suppose this has any legal status but

I do not consent to Aston University using any of my posts on Mumsnet, either under this username or under any other user name.

I do not consent to Aston University following the link to my historic posts on another site linked to when a mentally unstable person from that site followed me to Mumsnet and screenshot a link.

I do not consent to Aston University using my posts on any other site they may have arrived at by following comments I have made on Mumsnet.

I do not consent.

No means No.

I know I've said it before but who do Aston University think have the most sway over where their kids go to university? The university or their mother?

Any child mentioning Aston University to their mum is going to be told, "I'm not giving you a penny towards your uni costs if you decide to go there they are a very naughty university!"

Certainly those who know how to use the search function on mumsnet! For years to come this shit show is what is going to show up in the search results.

Slow hand clap Aston!

Gender critical’ feminism is an umbrella term that covers those who object to a range of changes for transgender people from legal rights to social acceptance.

Gender critical feminism only applies to feminists. There are other people who "object to a range of changes for transgender people". The majority of the population in fact.

Haha, indeed.

Point is, Aston did give ethical permission.

There are reasons Aston is not a highly regarded university.

No they do not.

They don’t understand that it’s not always about them. Women want to discuss women’s rights and issues using language which describes us.

They really don't understand do they!

From that foi

‘Gender critical’ feminism is an umbrella term that covers those who object to a range of changes for transgender people from legal rights to social acceptance.

Ffs!

This is for my own reference so I don’t forget which page this link is on. Also going to bookmark it.
Point is, Aston did give ethical permission. In my opinion, there are many issues here, but from the PhD student’s perspective, the study has been approved.
The fundamental ethical and possibly also legal issue is that the use was and is against the terms and conditions of the website; and therefore users of MN cannot possibly be deemed to give any kind of consent or expect their data to be used in this way.
There are two things which could outweigh this issue potentially - one, if Aston argue that the research is in the public interest and this outweighs the lack of consent (so they argue it is criminal or hateful, for example, aligning it with extremism and abuse on other dark web sites) and two, if MN negotiate on the conditions of use and/or give retrospective permission.

It is difficult to see how use of the relationships board and LGBTQ children is in the public interest or the benefits outweigh the problems. FWR is of public interest, given feminism is a longer term historical and current movement, and there is clear political and advocacy engagement from users. However, recognising that point is different from setting out to prove the board is hateful.

If MN retrospectively give permission or negotiate on the conditions, then I think this is still problematic ethically from the point of view of users not being aware at the time they were writing, and not being able to withdraw posts (The data has already been scraped).

Just seen the updates on this thread and people are saying that they don’t consent. I don’t even know what they are looking for really but I am saying I do not consent to Aston using any of my posts or replies in any of the boards on mumsnet or other social media. I do not consent to them trying to work out who I am either. If I say it on this thread, which presumably is being monitored by Aston and Mumsnet lawyers, does that mean they can’t use any of my words in any context? To make it clear: I do not give Aston, or anyone studying with Aston, permission.

How can this be considered an ethical use of sensitive personal data which could be identifying? It's not just that they haven't bothered to get consent, it's that people are saying in no uncertain terms that they do not consent.

Not only that, it was described as ‘hate crimes’. I still can’t get over that.

It’s unfortunate that Eden would be unable to complete their PhD in a timely manner but that is the fault/responsibility of their supervisor and the university in approving unethical methodology.

Indeed. At my institution, research that needs ethical approval and doesn’t have it, is considered invalid. It would certainly not be acceptable to include such data - or conclusions drawn from them - in a PhD. And it wouldn’t be acceptable for TEF or the like.

It also strikes me that the very research question on which the thesis research is based and the proposed hypothesis, are both badly conceptualised as they present the hypothesis as fact. In short “MN is transphobic. Let me show you how.”

If they go ahead with this the reputation of Aston will be in the gutter, unfortunately so will Mumsnets!

Well, quite.

Just to be clear I don't consent, Aston or whoever else wants to scrape MN data. Explicitly and always refuse consent.