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Disability hate on MN

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IClaudine · 02/05/2024 13:31

Hi MNHQ

Since Sunak’s announcement on disability benefits, there has been a big increase on MN in hostility towards people who receive then.

The abuse, hate and outright lies (my neighbour’s son’s cousin’s wife climbs Mount Everest but gets PIP etc) being spewed on MN towards disabled people, a group with protected characteristics, has been dreadful and very distressing for disabled people and their loved ones to read,

Please can you do something?

Here is a small selection of the threads where the disability benefit bashers have paid a visit and had a field day. There may be more, but I can’t face searching for them!

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5064828-to-be-terrified-about-pip?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share  

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5065470-people-who-work-have-anxiety-too?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5066670-aibu-to-hope-that-able-bodied-people-will-support-disabled-people-against-the-tory-attack-on-pip?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/money-matters/5064856-pip-vouchers-to-replace-money?reply=134966246&utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/money-matters/5066331-do-you-feel-bad-for-receiving-a-high-amount-of-uc?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

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K0OLA1D · 10/07/2025 18:23

PandoraSocks · 10/07/2025 17:54

What is everyone having for tea tonight? I think I might do a bbq.

I'm going to do some iceland speciality salmon and rice for me and DS1. I might push the boat out and air fry some broccoli! And DP and DS2 have left over domino's pizza from a treat we had last night for doing well this year at school.

PandoraSocks · 10/07/2025 17:54

What is everyone having for tea tonight? I think I might do a bbq.

TigerRag · 10/07/2025 17:52

MyNameIsX · 10/07/2025 17:49

Badenoch has endorsed CSJ analysis that recommended removing incapacity and disability benefits for those with less severe mental health claims and give them access to NHS Talking Therapies. This could save £7.4bn by 2029/30, according to the analysis.

Secondly, moving assessments from over the phone to in-person. Since the pandemic, most assessments for PIP and UC Incapacity have been via a phone or video call. At the Centre for Policy Studies, we found, through a FOI request, that in the year to November 2024, just 10% of UC Incapacity assessments and 5% of PIP assessments were face-to-face. Moving back to face-to-face will reduce the inflow. Reassessments were not mentioned, but these also collapsed after the pandemic and should be increased to get people off benefits they no longer to need.

She also criticised the Motability scheme, noting that 90% of cars have no adaptions made for disability. This cannot be right – surely the point of Motability is to compensate for increased costs for adapted transport, not giving out cars to everyone with a disability?

Thirdly, she described the welfare system as ideally acting like a trampoline, cushioning your fall and propelling you back to your feet. Better support for the disabled is a win-win. This needs to be fleshed out and should be a major focus of Conservative policy-making in the coming years. Often, job centres focus on ticking boxes for eligibility, rather than investing in evidence-based interventions that will move people into work. It’s an obvious area for reform, where more authority and funding – linked to appropriate incentives – could be given to job centres and local authorities to design or choose employment programmes that will be successful.

Author: Daniel Herring, Head of Economic & Fiscal policy at the Centre for Policy Studies.

Kindly, shut up

You've been told a few times this isn't the thread for it

MyNameIsX · 10/07/2025 17:49

Badenoch has endorsed CSJ analysis that recommended removing incapacity and disability benefits for those with less severe mental health claims and give them access to NHS Talking Therapies. This could save £7.4bn by 2029/30, according to the analysis.

Secondly, moving assessments from over the phone to in-person. Since the pandemic, most assessments for PIP and UC Incapacity have been via a phone or video call. At the Centre for Policy Studies, we found, through a FOI request, that in the year to November 2024, just 10% of UC Incapacity assessments and 5% of PIP assessments were face-to-face. Moving back to face-to-face will reduce the inflow. Reassessments were not mentioned, but these also collapsed after the pandemic and should be increased to get people off benefits they no longer to need.

She also criticised the Motability scheme, noting that 90% of cars have no adaptions made for disability. This cannot be right – surely the point of Motability is to compensate for increased costs for adapted transport, not giving out cars to everyone with a disability?

Thirdly, she described the welfare system as ideally acting like a trampoline, cushioning your fall and propelling you back to your feet. Better support for the disabled is a win-win. This needs to be fleshed out and should be a major focus of Conservative policy-making in the coming years. Often, job centres focus on ticking boxes for eligibility, rather than investing in evidence-based interventions that will move people into work. It’s an obvious area for reform, where more authority and funding – linked to appropriate incentives – could be given to job centres and local authorities to design or choose employment programmes that will be successful.

Author: Daniel Herring, Head of Economic & Fiscal policy at the Centre for Policy Studies.

PandoraSocks · 10/07/2025 14:25

MyNameIsX · 10/07/2025 14:24

I shall leave it there, and resume focus on the topic of the thread!

Which is disability hate on MN.

MyNameIsX · 10/07/2025 14:24

I shall leave it there, and resume focus on the topic of the thread!

PandoraSocks · 10/07/2025 14:10

MyNameIsX · 10/07/2025 14:05

No, I don’t think you did.

The poster concerned admitted it (see above).

As I say, we move on!

Admitted it? That makes it sound as though I should be ashamed. I am not. I reported you for being inflammatory. MN disagreed with me.

I did not report your post that was deleted yesterday. So maybe think on that. You are upsetting several people on this thread.

As I say, we move on!

You are not in charge of the thread.

K0OLA1D · 10/07/2025 14:06

MyNameIsX · 10/07/2025 14:05

No, I don’t think you did.

The poster concerned admitted it (see above).

As I say, we move on!

What you said wasn't acceptable.

MyNameIsX · 10/07/2025 14:05

K0OLA1D · 10/07/2025 14:04

If you're referring to me reporting you, you're mistaken. It wasnt me.

No, I don’t think you did.

The poster concerned admitted it (see above).

As I say, we move on!

K0OLA1D · 10/07/2025 14:04

MyNameIsX · 10/07/2025 13:54

There is NO place for hate, anywhere.

I shall otherwise post with your comments in mind (I must confess to being disappointed that the PP reported me)

We move on, however.

If you're referring to me reporting you, you're mistaken. It wasnt me.

PandoraSocks · 10/07/2025 14:01

MyNameIsX · 10/07/2025 13:54

There is NO place for hate, anywhere.

I shall otherwise post with your comments in mind (I must confess to being disappointed that the PP reported me)

We move on, however.

We see you.

MyNameIsX · 10/07/2025 13:54

XenoBitch · 10/07/2025 13:49

This thread is about the hate disabled people are getting on MN. It is not a discussion about policy or the amounts people get.

I get that MNHQ say no rules are being broken, but surely you should read the room, be a decent person, and take the topic you want to discuss elsewhere.

There is NO place for hate, anywhere.

I shall otherwise post with your comments in mind (I must confess to being disappointed that the PP reported me)

We move on, however.

XenoBitch · 10/07/2025 13:49

MyNameIsX · 10/07/2025 13:46

I think MNHQ are being eminently reasonable.

There is no attempt at provocation here. I remain keen to share information I come across in the public domain however, and in order to stimulate discussion - which may help address some of the concerns raised in this thread, namely awareness.

This thread is about the hate disabled people are getting on MN. It is not a discussion about policy or the amounts people get.

I get that MNHQ say no rules are being broken, but surely you should read the room, be a decent person, and take the topic you want to discuss elsewhere.

MyNameIsX · 10/07/2025 13:46

PandoraSocks · 10/07/2025 11:31

Sadly, MNHQ are OK with the thread being derailed. I give up. This is the email I recieved:

While we absolutely understand that this is a sensitive and emotive issue, particularly for posters affected by disability and the current rhetoric around benefits, the thread sits in Site stuff, which isn't a designated support area. It's intended for users to raise concerns with us and, as such, tends to attract a broad range of perspectives. It's also worth noting that while some areas of the site are less suited to in-depth ideological debate, there’s no board on Mumsnet where respectful disagreement is automatically out of bounds.

The post you've highlighted appears to be sharing factual information, and while we appreciate it may come across as provocative or upsetting in the current context, it doesn’t breach our Talk guidelines. We’d typically step in if a poster were being personally abusive, engaging in hate speech, or persistently derailing a thread that is clearly intended to be supportive. In this case, the thread has developed into a wider debate and includes a variety of strongly held views from multiple sides.

I assume the Talk rule about no deliberately inflammatory behaviour no longer applies.

I suspect this post might be deleted. I might even be banned.

I think MNHQ are being eminently reasonable.

There is no attempt at provocation here. I remain keen to share information I come across in the public domain however, and in order to stimulate discussion - which may help address some of the concerns raised in this thread, namely awareness.

Italianita · 10/07/2025 11:38

PandoraSocks · 10/07/2025 11:31

Sadly, MNHQ are OK with the thread being derailed. I give up. This is the email I recieved:

While we absolutely understand that this is a sensitive and emotive issue, particularly for posters affected by disability and the current rhetoric around benefits, the thread sits in Site stuff, which isn't a designated support area. It's intended for users to raise concerns with us and, as such, tends to attract a broad range of perspectives. It's also worth noting that while some areas of the site are less suited to in-depth ideological debate, there’s no board on Mumsnet where respectful disagreement is automatically out of bounds.

The post you've highlighted appears to be sharing factual information, and while we appreciate it may come across as provocative or upsetting in the current context, it doesn’t breach our Talk guidelines. We’d typically step in if a poster were being personally abusive, engaging in hate speech, or persistently derailing a thread that is clearly intended to be supportive. In this case, the thread has developed into a wider debate and includes a variety of strongly held views from multiple sides.

I assume the Talk rule about no deliberately inflammatory behaviour no longer applies.

I suspect this post might be deleted. I might even be banned.

I certainly hope not!

PandoraSocks · 10/07/2025 11:31

Sadly, MNHQ are OK with the thread being derailed. I give up. This is the email I recieved:

While we absolutely understand that this is a sensitive and emotive issue, particularly for posters affected by disability and the current rhetoric around benefits, the thread sits in Site stuff, which isn't a designated support area. It's intended for users to raise concerns with us and, as such, tends to attract a broad range of perspectives. It's also worth noting that while some areas of the site are less suited to in-depth ideological debate, there’s no board on Mumsnet where respectful disagreement is automatically out of bounds.

The post you've highlighted appears to be sharing factual information, and while we appreciate it may come across as provocative or upsetting in the current context, it doesn’t breach our Talk guidelines. We’d typically step in if a poster were being personally abusive, engaging in hate speech, or persistently derailing a thread that is clearly intended to be supportive. In this case, the thread has developed into a wider debate and includes a variety of strongly held views from multiple sides.

I assume the Talk rule about no deliberately inflammatory behaviour no longer applies.

I suspect this post might be deleted. I might even be banned.

XenoBitch · 10/07/2025 11:22

PandoraSocks · 10/07/2025 08:31

The topic of the thread is "Disability hate on MN" BTW. Not the "changing whims and policies of the government of the day".

Perhaps someone should start a thread on the "changing whims and policies of the government of the day" instead of derailing this one.

This 100%

Did @MyNameIsX even read the OP? It is not about money, or the policies. It is about the shitty ableist comments many of us have been subject to on MN, and the frustration at MN for doing little about it (all in the name of "educating" others about disability).
FFS, start your own thread about benefits if you want to talk about it. This thread is not for that. Read the room.

Italianita · 10/07/2025 11:08

I'm on dialysis right now. Life long because I am unsuitable for transplant.

I also have other disabilities and illnesses.
What gets me is the number of people who just have no idea how ill people can actually feel.

The nurses here are lovely but even they don't get it.
They ask us what we have planned for the rest of the day or weekends?
Dialysis is 4 hours, three times a week. Most of us go straight home to bed but we feel too embarrassed to say that.

Now and again we might manage to meet with family or go to hairdressers but the push and effort that takes is unbelievable.
Then it takes days to get over that effort.

If even our the nurses caring for us regularly don't understand, who can?

ValleyClouds · 10/07/2025 08:48

The notion that there is a two tier of deserving and undeserving PIP claimant is part of the problem

PIP is very hard to claim and the fraud rate is 0% - the idea that there’s just loads of people sitting off claiming for minor conditions is a media promoted lie that the ignorant fall for. PIP is not an unemployment benefit and many people claiming it work

I have heard so many times “they need to do something about all these people claiming PIP, but not you of course, you’re obviously genuine”

Who are these mystery (imaginary) people who aren’t genuine?

But no instead of being an enquiring mind just throw mud at an already vulnerable group of people

K0OLA1D · 10/07/2025 08:41

MyNameIsX · 10/07/2025 08:22

There is an obvious risk to ‘forever’.

You are exposed to the changing whims and policies of the government of the day (not to mention fickle public opinion), which is the topic of this thread, if I am not mistaken.

Secondly, there should be a distinction between those who are long-term unemployed - is the support enabling a return to work sufficient, for example? Data shows that, for able-bodied, at least, the longer people are out of the workforce, the harder it is for them to re-enter it. Pretty obvious, really.

I'm not able bodied. And neither are the vast majority posting on this thread about disabled people I'd assume.

K0OLA1D · 10/07/2025 08:39

MyNameIsX · 10/07/2025 08:36

Government policy is topical and ripe for ongoing discussion.

Yesterday the Government's Universal Credit Bill passed on the final vote, with 336 votes for to 242 votes against, giving an overall majority of 94. The Bill, which had its name changed from The Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill after the Government was forced by Disabled campaigners to make concessions on the PIP clauses, will now go through the House of Lords.

The passing of this bill is of deep concern to Disability Rights UK, as it will further push Disabled people on the health-element of Universal Credit into poverty, removing £3,000 a year from their pockets. We know Disabled people on Universal Credit already struggle to make ends meet, with 1 in 3 people who use a foodbank being Disabled.

NOT ON THIS THREAD. My God.

And the support I'd need to get back into work would be being able to work remotely. Which is another thing which is looked down upon by a lot on here and some in government.

Even if people do work, which I do, I still claim PIP.

MyNameIsX · 10/07/2025 08:36

Government policy is topical and ripe for ongoing discussion.

Yesterday the Government's Universal Credit Bill passed on the final vote, with 336 votes for to 242 votes against, giving an overall majority of 94. The Bill, which had its name changed from The Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill after the Government was forced by Disabled campaigners to make concessions on the PIP clauses, will now go through the House of Lords.

The passing of this bill is of deep concern to Disability Rights UK, as it will further push Disabled people on the health-element of Universal Credit into poverty, removing £3,000 a year from their pockets. We know Disabled people on Universal Credit already struggle to make ends meet, with 1 in 3 people who use a foodbank being Disabled.

PandoraSocks · 10/07/2025 08:31

The topic of the thread is "Disability hate on MN" BTW. Not the "changing whims and policies of the government of the day".

Perhaps someone should start a thread on the "changing whims and policies of the government of the day" instead of derailing this one.

PandoraSocks · 10/07/2025 08:25

I am not going to engage with our interloper.

I will say this though.

I wonder why someone would choose to behave like this on a thread that was started for posters concerned about ableism on MN? Is their life missing something? Do they have low self esteem and need to feel superior?

I feel sorry for them in some ways.

MyNameIsX · 10/07/2025 08:22

K0OLA1D · 10/07/2025 08:13

But that interim may be forever. What then?

Just have to suck up comments like the one of yours which has now been deleted?

There is an obvious risk to ‘forever’.

You are exposed to the changing whims and policies of the government of the day (not to mention fickle public opinion), which is the topic of this thread, if I am not mistaken.

Secondly, there should be a distinction between those who are long-term unemployed - is the support enabling a return to work sufficient, for example? Data shows that, for able-bodied, at least, the longer people are out of the workforce, the harder it is for them to re-enter it. Pretty obvious, really.

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