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Disability hate on MN

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IClaudine · 02/05/2024 13:31

Hi MNHQ

Since Sunak’s announcement on disability benefits, there has been a big increase on MN in hostility towards people who receive then.

The abuse, hate and outright lies (my neighbour’s son’s cousin’s wife climbs Mount Everest but gets PIP etc) being spewed on MN towards disabled people, a group with protected characteristics, has been dreadful and very distressing for disabled people and their loved ones to read,

Please can you do something?

Here is a small selection of the threads where the disability benefit bashers have paid a visit and had a field day. There may be more, but I can’t face searching for them!

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5064828-to-be-terrified-about-pip?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share  

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5065470-people-who-work-have-anxiety-too?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5066670-aibu-to-hope-that-able-bodied-people-will-support-disabled-people-against-the-tory-attack-on-pip?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/money-matters/5064856-pip-vouchers-to-replace-money?reply=134966246&utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/money-matters/5066331-do-you-feel-bad-for-receiving-a-high-amount-of-uc?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

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flapjackfairy · 12/07/2025 08:19

@MyNameisX Aw bless you! 10 out of 10 for persistence if nothing else.
Personally I am fed up of this heat and its effect on my sons breathing. Can't wait for it to break . Summer adds a whole other level of jeopardy to keeping him alive ! Such fun !
How is everyone else coping?

PandoraSocks · 12/07/2025 07:21

Glitchymn1 · 12/07/2025 05:36

It won’t let me edit but there’s always hate on here. The vegan posts, the dog posts always get battered and derailed. Mostly because people can be nasty little pricks, especially when left unattended with a keyboard.

I am hearing a certain Alanis Morissette song in my head.

PandoraSocks · 12/07/2025 07:16

What a lovely start to the day. Now we have flavours of bigotry on the thread.

Women entering the U.K. to have babies, claim their benefits and catch the next flight out

Made me chuckle a little, though.

I would like to see the stats on this, but I guess you don't have any. Whatever the truth of it, I don't think Badenoch will be "scrutinising" it any time soon, for obvious reasons.

I am off to the shops before it gets too hot.

Kirbert2 · 12/07/2025 06:10

MyNameIsX · 12/07/2025 05:39

I do realise you can be employed and claim PIP, yes.

As to adaption of motability cars, I suppose that Badenoch’s point was - approx 1.4 million claimants, or 38% of PIP awards are to those with psychiatric disorders (the largest element). If we extrapolate that to the c. 815,000 people using the scheme, that equates to over 300,000 people, with 9/10 cars apparently unaltered, and eligible for replacement every three years.

Furthermore, the CEO received £750,000 last year, whilst the CFO took home £691,000, and they are sitting on a GBP 4 bn surplus.

Scrutiny of the scheme in these straightened times, is therefore understandable, perhaps?

It isn't just those on PIP who can be eligible for a motability car though, if a child receives HRM DLA, they can be eligible for one too.

Unless they need WAV's for their child's wheelchair, they are most likely not going to be adapted because the parent is obviously going to be driving the car.

Glitchymn1 · 12/07/2025 05:54

@MyNameIsX So they’ve already been ‘propelled to their feet’ that’s an awful turn of phrase.

I think Badenoch might not have a scooby doo about the make up of that 38%. I don’t see how you can extrapolate the data- not everyone opts for a car for a start. Are those stats accurate?

Why do cars need to be adapted? How can they be?

What Badencoch wants to bloody scrutinise is benefit and health tourism. The millions handed out to people who do not live in the U.K. but have homes here that are empty, frequented occasionally, lights left on. Women entering the U.K. to have babies, claim their benefits and catch the next flight out.

DWP don’t have the balls to investigate PIP that’s why it’s a zero per cent fraud rate. We aren’t allowed to look at it- or very, very rarely.

MyNameIsX · 12/07/2025 05:39

Glitchymn1 · 12/07/2025 05:19

Very simplistic.

You do realise you can work full time AND claim PIP don’t you. Most conditions get worse not better.

If you have certain conditions, you don’t need a car adapted. The car is because you can’t walk far, you could have a heart condition. You could have aphasia and be unable to walk and the car is so your children can take you out. (No money or medical intervention can ‘propel’ this person anywhere- real life examples).

I do realise you can be employed and claim PIP, yes.

As to adaption of motability cars, I suppose that Badenoch’s point was - approx 1.4 million claimants, or 38% of PIP awards are to those with psychiatric disorders (the largest element). If we extrapolate that to the c. 815,000 people using the scheme, that equates to over 300,000 people, with 9/10 cars apparently unaltered, and eligible for replacement every three years.

Furthermore, the CEO received £750,000 last year, whilst the CFO took home £691,000, and they are sitting on a GBP 4 bn surplus.

Scrutiny of the scheme in these straightened times, is therefore understandable, perhaps?

Glitchymn1 · 12/07/2025 05:36

It won’t let me edit but there’s always hate on here. The vegan posts, the dog posts always get battered and derailed. Mostly because people can be nasty little pricks, especially when left unattended with a keyboard.

Glitchymn1 · 12/07/2025 05:19

MyNameIsX · 10/07/2025 17:49

Badenoch has endorsed CSJ analysis that recommended removing incapacity and disability benefits for those with less severe mental health claims and give them access to NHS Talking Therapies. This could save £7.4bn by 2029/30, according to the analysis.

Secondly, moving assessments from over the phone to in-person. Since the pandemic, most assessments for PIP and UC Incapacity have been via a phone or video call. At the Centre for Policy Studies, we found, through a FOI request, that in the year to November 2024, just 10% of UC Incapacity assessments and 5% of PIP assessments were face-to-face. Moving back to face-to-face will reduce the inflow. Reassessments were not mentioned, but these also collapsed after the pandemic and should be increased to get people off benefits they no longer to need.

She also criticised the Motability scheme, noting that 90% of cars have no adaptions made for disability. This cannot be right – surely the point of Motability is to compensate for increased costs for adapted transport, not giving out cars to everyone with a disability?

Thirdly, she described the welfare system as ideally acting like a trampoline, cushioning your fall and propelling you back to your feet. Better support for the disabled is a win-win. This needs to be fleshed out and should be a major focus of Conservative policy-making in the coming years. Often, job centres focus on ticking boxes for eligibility, rather than investing in evidence-based interventions that will move people into work. It’s an obvious area for reform, where more authority and funding – linked to appropriate incentives – could be given to job centres and local authorities to design or choose employment programmes that will be successful.

Author: Daniel Herring, Head of Economic & Fiscal policy at the Centre for Policy Studies.

Very simplistic.

You do realise you can work full time AND claim PIP don’t you. Most conditions get worse not better.

If you have certain conditions, you don’t need a car adapted. The car is because you can’t walk far, you could have a heart condition. You could have aphasia and be unable to walk and the car is so your children can take you out. (No money or medical intervention can ‘propel’ this person anywhere- real life examples).

K0OLA1D · 12/07/2025 05:10

Italianita · 11/07/2025 23:19

We were going to go away for 2 days (yes, even ill, disabled people have breaks) but it's too hot so we cancelled.

Free cancellation thank goodness.

You watch, I bet someone reading this will be jealous of my two day breaks 😋

Totally understandable.

Its like the pits of hell in our bedroom currently.

MyNameIsX · 12/07/2025 04:42

I do not understand why any reasonable person would begrudge anyone taking a holiday.

XenoBitch · 11/07/2025 23:24

Italianita · 11/07/2025 23:19

We were going to go away for 2 days (yes, even ill, disabled people have breaks) but it's too hot so we cancelled.

Free cancellation thank goodness.

You watch, I bet someone reading this will be jealous of my two day breaks 😋

That is a shame.

I have seen comments on here saying that disabled people who go on holiday can't be that disabled if they can manage it. Or that someone who can navigate booking flights and going to an airport, can't be that disabled, so they can get a job.

Italianita · 11/07/2025 23:19

We were going to go away for 2 days (yes, even ill, disabled people have breaks) but it's too hot so we cancelled.

Free cancellation thank goodness.

You watch, I bet someone reading this will be jealous of my two day breaks 😋

PandoraSocks · 11/07/2025 22:08

@buttnut I might take a leaf out of your book for tomorrow. It is going to be even hotter tomorrow here.

@thisiswheretheseagullfliesaway I hope your DS feels better soon. Dental abscesses are so painful. He sounds like a character, though!

@LadyTable I am sorry you are embarrassed by a friendly conversation.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 11/07/2025 20:46

LadyTable · 11/07/2025 18:12

This thread is embarrassing now.

Instead of completely blanking the PP who was clearly trying their hardest to take this thread off track, people continued to give them the attention they craved - thus taking the thread off track.

And now the same people are having a conversation about food that they clearly don't want to have, and which is obvious to everyone - thus still allowing that poster to have taken the thread off track.

Just carry on using the thread for the purpose it was started but actually ignore that PP! 🤦‍♀️

We have already been told how we are expected to behave by MNHQ. And they have also kindly told us what is and isn't offensive to people with disabilities.

We do not need you to tell us how to behave. And since MNHQ have clarified that we have no right to be offended by ableism unless they say so, then there is no better purpose to the thread than to swop menus. If you don't like the direction of the thread and are embarassed, you are welcome to pick another one more to your liking. Personally I am more embarassed by MNHQ, but each to their own.

K0OLA1D · 11/07/2025 19:13

LadyTable · 11/07/2025 18:12

This thread is embarrassing now.

Instead of completely blanking the PP who was clearly trying their hardest to take this thread off track, people continued to give them the attention they craved - thus taking the thread off track.

And now the same people are having a conversation about food that they clearly don't want to have, and which is obvious to everyone - thus still allowing that poster to have taken the thread off track.

Just carry on using the thread for the purpose it was started but actually ignore that PP! 🤦‍♀️

I'm actually enjoying just chatting about our evening..

K0OLA1D · 11/07/2025 19:12

PhilippaGeorgiou · 11/07/2025 17:53

You have just reminded me that next time I am in Greece I need to ask Nikos for the recipe of his deep fried cheese in pomegranate sauce.

That sounds divine!

DP decided we were having a picnic. So went to morrisons and got loads of bits. But we were hounded by bloody wasps!!!

K0OLA1D · 11/07/2025 19:11

XenoBitch · 11/07/2025 17:36

Ooh, I love halloumi. DP can't say it properly and calls it "loony cheese" 😂
I think I might have some this weekend. As a kebab sounds like a fab idea

DS2s favourite. He calls it squeaky cheese 😄

Italianita · 11/07/2025 18:58

PhilippaGeorgiou · 11/07/2025 16:28

I'm going out for a meal - we are both going to squander our PIP on eating.

Yep, we did that yesterday...

LadyKenya · 11/07/2025 18:54

Fish fingers, chips, and beans for me tonight. Whew, it is hot!

thisiswheretheseagullfliesaway · 11/07/2025 18:14

Honestly it's so warm I can't think of eating. DS has a horrible abscess and his poor face is badly swollen. His teeth are perfect apparently and they can't see what's causing it. He can't really tell us much how he feels with his learning difficulties. He did give me the finger when I called him chipmunk cheeks 😂.

LadyTable · 11/07/2025 18:12

This thread is embarrassing now.

Instead of completely blanking the PP who was clearly trying their hardest to take this thread off track, people continued to give them the attention they craved - thus taking the thread off track.

And now the same people are having a conversation about food that they clearly don't want to have, and which is obvious to everyone - thus still allowing that poster to have taken the thread off track.

Just carry on using the thread for the purpose it was started but actually ignore that PP! 🤦‍♀️

PhilippaGeorgiou · 11/07/2025 17:53

XenoBitch · 11/07/2025 17:36

Ooh, I love halloumi. DP can't say it properly and calls it "loony cheese" 😂
I think I might have some this weekend. As a kebab sounds like a fab idea

You have just reminded me that next time I am in Greece I need to ask Nikos for the recipe of his deep fried cheese in pomegranate sauce.

XenoBitch · 11/07/2025 17:36

Ooh, I love halloumi. DP can't say it properly and calls it "loony cheese" 😂
I think I might have some this weekend. As a kebab sounds like a fab idea

PhilippaGeorgiou · 11/07/2025 17:26

Nice to see us all taking MNHQs advice and indulging in "discussion".

K0OLA1D · 11/07/2025 17:23

buttnut · 11/07/2025 16:56

I went to Tesco and stocked up on cold things (crusty bread, hummus, Pringles, salad, chicken wings, fruit) as I’m refusing to cook. So will be a picnic tea.

That sounds so much better than my plan!!!