Please or to access all these features

Site stuff

Join our Innovation Panel to try new features early and help make Mumsnet better.

See all MNHQ comments on this thread

Disability hate on MN

559 replies

IClaudine · 02/05/2024 13:31

Hi MNHQ

Since Sunak’s announcement on disability benefits, there has been a big increase on MN in hostility towards people who receive then.

The abuse, hate and outright lies (my neighbour’s son’s cousin’s wife climbs Mount Everest but gets PIP etc) being spewed on MN towards disabled people, a group with protected characteristics, has been dreadful and very distressing for disabled people and their loved ones to read,

Please can you do something?

Here is a small selection of the threads where the disability benefit bashers have paid a visit and had a field day. There may be more, but I can’t face searching for them!

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5064828-to-be-terrified-about-pip?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share  

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5065470-people-who-work-have-anxiety-too?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5066670-aibu-to-hope-that-able-bodied-people-will-support-disabled-people-against-the-tory-attack-on-pip?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/money-matters/5064856-pip-vouchers-to-replace-money?reply=134966246&utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/money-matters/5066331-do-you-feel-bad-for-receiving-a-high-amount-of-uc?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

OP posts:
Thread gallery
6
PandoraSocks · 12/07/2025 17:10

.

Disability  hate on MN
MyNameIsX · 12/07/2025 16:29

PickAChew · 12/07/2025 15:22

The cars are leased.

At the end of the lease, the car isn't scrapped but is sold on. It keeps the motability fleet young and reliable and the little bit of commission for selling on the car encourages dealers to participate in the scheme.

Thanks, yes I am aware it is a lease scheme.

I suppose the point is, three year old cars are not ‘old’ today, and presumably the mileage in a motability car is lower than normal? Plus they’re fully serviced etc.

MyNameIsX · 12/07/2025 16:28

Thank you for your insight @Glitchymn1

flapjackfairy · 12/07/2025 16:13

PickAChew · 12/07/2025 15:22

The cars are leased.

At the end of the lease, the car isn't scrapped but is sold on. It keeps the motability fleet young and reliable and the little bit of commission for selling on the car encourages dealers to participate in the scheme.

people also conveniently forget that those who needs a wheelchair accessible motability car have to pay a deposit which is NOT returned at the end of the lease period.
Our last car it was 4,500 and this time it looks like it will be 8 500. You pay for the car to be adapted basically and also give up the motability.component of PIP for the length of the lease.
We are thinking of not bothering and buying a second hand one instead.
Infact we have 2 wheelchair users and to get a car with 2 wheelchair spaces the down-payment is 25,000. The vehicle is handed back.after 5 years and you then have to.start again so it is by no means a free car.

CrocusSnowdrop · 12/07/2025 15:22

I won't. But it annoys me that I have to waste brain space on not letting it get to me...

PickAChew · 12/07/2025 15:22

MyNameIsX · 12/07/2025 05:39

I do realise you can be employed and claim PIP, yes.

As to adaption of motability cars, I suppose that Badenoch’s point was - approx 1.4 million claimants, or 38% of PIP awards are to those with psychiatric disorders (the largest element). If we extrapolate that to the c. 815,000 people using the scheme, that equates to over 300,000 people, with 9/10 cars apparently unaltered, and eligible for replacement every three years.

Furthermore, the CEO received £750,000 last year, whilst the CFO took home £691,000, and they are sitting on a GBP 4 bn surplus.

Scrutiny of the scheme in these straightened times, is therefore understandable, perhaps?

The cars are leased.

At the end of the lease, the car isn't scrapped but is sold on. It keeps the motability fleet young and reliable and the little bit of commission for selling on the car encourages dealers to participate in the scheme.

PandoraSocks · 12/07/2025 15:17

@CrocusSnowdrop don't let them get to you.Flowers

CrocusSnowdrop · 12/07/2025 15:14

That thread in FWR combined with people claiming they see fraudsters everywhere are going to contribute to me damaging my health if I'm not careful. I sometimes get out of my wheelchair when I'm out and about, and sometimes (shock horror) use quite a pretty walking stick. Whenever I see hate like this online it makes me worry that being seen to walk short distances out and about, which is actually beneficial for my health, could lead not just to me receiving unpleasant comments, as it does, but even being reported for fraud. (and the distances are well within my limitations as listed on my PIP letter, but most people have no clue how long 20m is or that not all wheelchair users can't walk at all)

PandoraSocks · 12/07/2025 15:08

Glitchymn1 · 12/07/2025 14:57

It goes to show how little you actually know.

Every LA fraud dept will joint work with DWP, intelligence officers, compliance, serious and economic. There are separate LA fraud depts too.
It’s absolutely rife here and it’s a small ish town, often entwined with organised crime. The benefit side is seen as low level, almost always the male is the one who moves around and will retain children’s passports. Wife and children aren’t in the U.K. or it’s certainly not their main home. They have a residence and school elsewhere.

There’s very little said about benefit fraud in general, because it’s very political. Our LA doesn’t even like to prosecute and certainly won’t publish stats on it!

So it is rife in your town (how rife is rife, though? You must have stats to be able to say it is rife, otherwise how can you know it is rife?). I can well believe that benefit fraud is linked to organised crime. That is very well documented.

But you often post as if benefit tourism is "rife" across the UK, but have no evidence to back this up.

Our LA doesn’t even like to prosecute and certainly won’t publish stats on it!

So why investigate it if the LA doesn't prosecute? What a waste of resources.

Glitchymn1 · 12/07/2025 14:57

PandoraSocks · 12/07/2025 14:39

DWP administers most benefits. So how can you be a reliable source on benefit tourism if you don't work for DWP and don't have access to any stats?

Eta: scaremongering around benefit tourism was debunked over a decade ago, which perhaps explains why there is very little said about it now, and no stats collected. It happens, I am sure. But not to the levels you keep suggesting.

Edited

It goes to show how little you actually know.

Every LA fraud dept will joint work with DWP, intelligence officers, compliance, serious and economic. There are separate LA fraud depts too.
It’s absolutely rife here and it’s a small ish town, often entwined with organised crime. The benefit side is seen as low level, almost always the male is the one who moves around and will retain children’s passports. Wife and children aren’t in the U.K. or it’s certainly not their main home. They have a residence and school elsewhere.

There’s very little said about benefit fraud in general, because it’s very political. Our LA doesn’t even like to prosecute and certainly won’t publish stats on it!

PandoraSocks · 12/07/2025 14:39

Glitchymn1 · 12/07/2025 14:32

I don’t work for the DWP and I’m not an EO. I never said I was, so not sure where you are getting that from.

I am a LA fraud manager.

👍🏼Clearly you know better and have all the answers.

PS it’s generally not the women who rake it in, it’s the men. Anyway off to have a chickpea lentil bowl and a g spot drink.

DWP administers most benefits. So how can you be a reliable source on benefit tourism if you don't work for DWP and don't have access to any stats?

Eta: scaremongering around benefit tourism was debunked over a decade ago, which perhaps explains why there is very little said about it now, and no stats collected. It happens, I am sure. But not to the levels you keep suggesting.

CrocusSnowdrop · 12/07/2025 14:37

OneGiddyBird · 12/07/2025 13:20

This thread on the feminism board is one of the worst threads I’ve seen on mumsnet relating to disability. I found it upsetting to read
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5369916-girls-using-walking-sticks

Wow that is depressing.
Bet MNHQ don't care though, it's open season on fakeclaiming young people with blue hair!

Glitchymn1 · 12/07/2025 14:32

PandoraSocks · 12/07/2025 14:12

I am sure it does happen. Most forms of fraud one can conjure up in one's head are made real by some enterprising soul somewhere. But perhaps not in the great numbers you are suggesting.

I do remember way back before Brexit benefit tourism from the EU was a hot topic for the likes of Carswell. Which is telling.

I am surprised DWP doesn't keep stats on benefit tourism that you, as a DWP fraud EO, aren't able to access. Are there not even stats on people/gangs convicted for it?

So, I remain unconvinced that there are significant numbers of women flying back to their own country straight after giving birth, pockets jingling with UK tax-payers cash.

Hitchen's Razor.

Anyway, all of this is nothing to do with ableism.

Edited

I don’t work for the DWP and I’m not an EO. I never said I was, so not sure where you are getting that from.

I am a LA fraud manager.

👍🏼Clearly you know better and have all the answers.

PS it’s generally not the women who rake it in, it’s the men. Anyway off to have a chickpea lentil bowl and a g spot drink.

PandoraSocks · 12/07/2025 14:13

OneGiddyBird · 12/07/2025 13:54

The OP on that thread seems to have convinced herself that there is a trend for people who are autistic, trans and have funny coloured hair to fake a disability and use walking sticks. It sounds bonkers but the thread has been running for days and has become quite upsetting to read!

Yeah, I saw that one. It has turned pretty nasty.

PandoraSocks · 12/07/2025 14:12

Glitchymn1 · 12/07/2025 13:03

I’m a fraud manager - I don’t have stats but it happens I assure you. We investigate it but can’t really do anything.

Not sure why you find that so difficult to believe?

I am sure it does happen. Most forms of fraud one can conjure up in one's head are made real by some enterprising soul somewhere. But perhaps not in the great numbers you are suggesting.

I do remember way back before Brexit benefit tourism from the EU was a hot topic for the likes of Carswell. Which is telling.

I am surprised DWP doesn't keep stats on benefit tourism that you, as a DWP fraud EO, aren't able to access. Are there not even stats on people/gangs convicted for it?

So, I remain unconvinced that there are significant numbers of women flying back to their own country straight after giving birth, pockets jingling with UK tax-payers cash.

Hitchen's Razor.

Anyway, all of this is nothing to do with ableism.

OneGiddyBird · 12/07/2025 13:54

The OP on that thread seems to have convinced herself that there is a trend for people who are autistic, trans and have funny coloured hair to fake a disability and use walking sticks. It sounds bonkers but the thread has been running for days and has become quite upsetting to read!

OneGiddyBird · 12/07/2025 13:10

I’m off for a cold lemonade!

Glitchymn1 · 12/07/2025 13:08

@Kirbert2 Absolutely. Many disabled people aren’t using the car themselves because they can’t, they aren’t physically able to. I’d rather have my health than a car or a bit of extra cash.

Benefit and health tourism is absolutely a thing. I find it incredulous you think it isn’t Pandora. But I’ll leave it there.

Glitchymn1 · 12/07/2025 13:03

PandoraSocks · 12/07/2025 07:16

What a lovely start to the day. Now we have flavours of bigotry on the thread.

Women entering the U.K. to have babies, claim their benefits and catch the next flight out

Made me chuckle a little, though.

I would like to see the stats on this, but I guess you don't have any. Whatever the truth of it, I don't think Badenoch will be "scrutinising" it any time soon, for obvious reasons.

I am off to the shops before it gets too hot.

Edited

I’m a fraud manager - I don’t have stats but it happens I assure you. We investigate it but can’t really do anything.

Not sure why you find that so difficult to believe?

OneGiddyBird · 12/07/2025 12:41

My curtains are closed. This heat is hellish!

K0OLA1D · 12/07/2025 11:33

I'm sat in the shade reading and its currently quite pleasant. DP is lying in full sun on the lawn and I just don't know how he does it

flapjackfairy · 12/07/2025 11:14

PandoraSocks · 12/07/2025 11:08

Shopping done, now cooling off.@flapjackfairy I find keeping windows and blinds closed after about 11am keeps the house cool.

yes my house is like a cave all summer. Blinds and curtains all shut . I get up.at 5.30ish and throw everywhere open until about 7.30 then shut it all up.again. We do have an aircon but it is v noisy so we put that on if we are desperate.Otherwise we cope with fans and all have a neck fan which is really helpful. Luckily our old house stays a bit cooler than our last modern house. I don't know how people cope in well insulated new builds.

PandoraSocks · 12/07/2025 11:08

Shopping done, now cooling off.@flapjackfairy I find keeping windows and blinds closed after about 11am keeps the house cool.