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Why did the "Lisa Johnson One to Many" thread get deleted?

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PermanentIyExhaustedPigeon · 19/03/2024 18:26

I've seen the deletion message but don't understand why the comments that broke talk guidelines couldn't have been deleted and the rest of the thread left to stand.

Lisa Johnson claims that she had it removed because she put pressure on MN to do so.

Can anyone from MNHQ clarify please?

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NimbleRaven · 22/03/2024 19:07

BeMorePositive · 21/03/2024 22:18

It’s really getting quite tedious in here again. I don’t think there is any intention by the OP, or others in here to have a thread with a balanced view on this subject. There are clearly some people on this thread who have had and shared a positive experience (actually real life experience) of attending courses/memberships etc with Lisa Johnson. I am one of those people. Whilst this thread has been far more civil than the original thread, it’s clearly now down a cul de sac at the end of a one way street.

It’s resorting to petty arguments about semantics, grammar and who has the most screenshots. Some people are also apparently mortally offended and can’t let that go. Others are cross about the lack of negative reviews about Lisa and feel we are living in some dystopian ‘Lisa verse’ where she has managed to eliminate hundreds of disgruntled potential business owners.

i wish you all well and hope you find something more productive to do with your time in the future.

Bonsoir!

I'm with you @BeMorePositive. I find the 'sympathy' and 'concern' for the original poster coming from people who themselves were responsible for name calling on the original post, somewhat sickening. (on the original thread on 16th March, 10:01 just for reference for one example).

I'm sure anyone reading this thread can draw their own conclusions. Lisa isn't hard to find on social media if you have questions.

Remember behind all these anonymous names, on BOTH sides, there are REAL people. I'd hate for my children, or any of my family in fact, to be subjected to anything like some of what has happened on these threads. Before commenting is it something you would want your child to be on the receiving end of. Something to consider going forward perhaps.

All the best x x

OriginalOP · 22/03/2024 19:06

Thank you @Therewasalittlegirl77 and @TheShellBeach
@ashell (wrong name but can't delete!)

I've also had other serious life stuff going on and honestly having to deal with Lisa's unpleasantness was the rotten cherry on an already rancid cake.

She had absolutely no concern for me whatsoever, everything was about protecting her brand no matter what and I can't forgive her for that because it was totally unnecessary.

Posters here piling on to defend Lisa without knowing what happened really sticks in my craw to be honest.

Therewasalittlegirl77 · 22/03/2024 18:55

TheShellBeach · 22/03/2024 18:47

Thank you for your post, @OriginalOP

I hope you're okay. You've been put through the wringer because of this, and you didn't deserve it at all.

Lisa Johnson conveniently forgot that you'd been extremely positive about her and about OTM to start with. You were doing your due diligence.

What she did to you as a result of the first thread was unacceptable and has not shown LJ in a good light at all.

I agree - in amongst all of this has been a real person who’s had to deal with all of this stuff going on around them as a result of asking a perfectly reasonable question as a result of investing a substantial amount of money into something. 😔

Therewasalittlegirl77 · 22/03/2024 18:53

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Hi @OriginalOP

Firstly, I want to just check in that you are doing ok as reading the time line of events on your post above creates a feeling of unease for me so I hope you are ok after all this furore.

I can imagine how I would be feeling if I were in your shoes and so I hope you have people around you who you trust to talk this through with and process.

Secondly, thank you for posting and clarifying your experience.

For me, your post says everything that needs to be said on this matter.

Overall this has been a truly unpleasant scene for me to watch unfold and I hope this can put an end to it all now 🤞🏼

lots of best wishes being sent your way xxx

ASighMadeOfStone · 22/03/2024 18:53

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TheShellBeach · 22/03/2024 18:47

Thank you for your post, @OriginalOP

I hope you're okay. You've been put through the wringer because of this, and you didn't deserve it at all.

Lisa Johnson conveniently forgot that you'd been extremely positive about her and about OTM to start with. You were doing your due diligence.

What she did to you as a result of the first thread was unacceptable and has not shown LJ in a good light at all.

OriginalOP · 22/03/2024 18:28

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TheShellBeach · 22/03/2024 18:18

Therewasalittlegirl77 · 22/03/2024 18:17

I’m pretty sure I recall the word “event” being used in the original thread to describe a facebook live that was imminent. Either way, the original OP was concerned of being identified and / or outed in some way.

Absolutely, and arguing semantics like this is not a good look.

Therewasalittlegirl77 · 22/03/2024 18:17

PermanentIyExhaustedPigeon · 22/03/2024 17:45

It was a Facebook Live, that was what the OP was worried LJ would talk about her in. Not name her, to be clear, but discuss the thread and possibly lead to her being outed accidentally. I've got the original thread here in front of me so I can prove it.

I’m pretty sure I recall the word “event” being used in the original thread to describe a facebook live that was imminent. Either way, the original OP was concerned of being identified and / or outed in some way.

TheShellBeach · 22/03/2024 18:15

NimbleRaven · 22/03/2024 17:42

Not correct. Nothing about an event was mentioned on the original thread.

It was.
A FB Live event was mentioned.

Therewasalittlegirl77 · 22/03/2024 18:13

ASighMadeOfStone · 22/03/2024 17:38

She was under the impression that she was going to be mentioned by Lisa Johnson at an event. Then when Lisa Johnson herself came onto the thread, she was concerned that Lisa would also look for her other MN posts and refer to things in them in whatever the event thing was going to be. Lisa had her real name through the signing up and reaching out obviously and the OP didn't want any of that connecting to things she'd said elsewhere on MN.
HQ agreed clearly that her fear of being "outed" was real. It's very rare they change all a person's posts for them.

Original OP was clearly correct as they WERE identified as a refund was processed and OP was blocked. And yes as I understand it there was a follow up facebook post talking about how you can choose what clients you work with which made for uncomfortable reading.

I believe the user name was maybe somehow linked to their real life name / facebook name. From what I could understand original OP was also concerned that once “outed” or at least alluded to being who they were they were concerned that all of their Mumsnet usage could be found / searched / read / commented on. OP was quite stressed and concerned about this if I remember correctly. Their concerns were not without foundation given that they WERE identified and refunded without requesting a refund and subsequently blocked.

ASighMadeOfStone · 22/03/2024 18:00

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NimbleRaven · 22/03/2024 17:55

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And you said I was snarky 😂

ASighMadeOfStone · 22/03/2024 17:54

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NimbleRaven · 22/03/2024 17:53

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No snarking. Just keeping it factual :)

ASighMadeOfStone · 22/03/2024 17:52

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NimbleRaven · 22/03/2024 17:46

PermanentIyExhaustedPigeon · 22/03/2024 17:45

It was a Facebook Live, that was what the OP was worried LJ would talk about her in. Not name her, to be clear, but discuss the thread and possibly lead to her being outed accidentally. I've got the original thread here in front of me so I can prove it.

Exactly - it was a Facebook live. Not an event! Two different things

PermanentIyExhaustedPigeon · 22/03/2024 17:45

NimbleRaven · 22/03/2024 17:42

Not correct. Nothing about an event was mentioned on the original thread.

It was a Facebook Live, that was what the OP was worried LJ would talk about her in. Not name her, to be clear, but discuss the thread and possibly lead to her being outed accidentally. I've got the original thread here in front of me so I can prove it.

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NimbleRaven · 22/03/2024 17:42

ASighMadeOfStone · 22/03/2024 17:38

She was under the impression that she was going to be mentioned by Lisa Johnson at an event. Then when Lisa Johnson herself came onto the thread, she was concerned that Lisa would also look for her other MN posts and refer to things in them in whatever the event thing was going to be. Lisa had her real name through the signing up and reaching out obviously and the OP didn't want any of that connecting to things she'd said elsewhere on MN.
HQ agreed clearly that her fear of being "outed" was real. It's very rare they change all a person's posts for them.

Not correct. Nothing about an event was mentioned on the original thread.

PermanentIyExhaustedPigeon · 22/03/2024 17:40

ASighMadeOfStone · 22/03/2024 17:38

She was under the impression that she was going to be mentioned by Lisa Johnson at an event. Then when Lisa Johnson herself came onto the thread, she was concerned that Lisa would also look for her other MN posts and refer to things in them in whatever the event thing was going to be. Lisa had her real name through the signing up and reaching out obviously and the OP didn't want any of that connecting to things she'd said elsewhere on MN.
HQ agreed clearly that her fear of being "outed" was real. It's very rare they change all a person's posts for them.

Yes I remember all that. But how did LJ then find her on FB and know who she was to refund her and write a snarky post about knowing when to refuse to work with someone ?

That's the bit I'm confused about - how was the RL person linked with the MN user?

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PermanentIyExhaustedPigeon · 22/03/2024 17:39

Well, I'm halfway through the "Coaches Coaching Coaches" podcast episode I linked further up and it is fascinating

LJ and her affiliates are literally straight out of the playbook. It's like The Script or something.

Right down to telling your target market how much you spent on coaching for yourself to become as successful as you are, as a marketing strategy. It's all there. Incredible.

Why did the "Lisa Johnson One to Many" thread get deleted?
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ASighMadeOfStone · 22/03/2024 17:38

She was under the impression that she was going to be mentioned by Lisa Johnson at an event. Then when Lisa Johnson herself came onto the thread, she was concerned that Lisa would also look for her other MN posts and refer to things in them in whatever the event thing was going to be. Lisa had her real name through the signing up and reaching out obviously and the OP didn't want any of that connecting to things she'd said elsewhere on MN.
HQ agreed clearly that her fear of being "outed" was real. It's very rare they change all a person's posts for them.

TheShellBeach · 22/03/2024 17:20

PermanentIyExhaustedPigeon · 22/03/2024 17:05

How did Lisa even identify the OP of the other thread? I don't get it. If 1.2k people have signed up to this year's OTM, how did she know which one was asking on MN for reviews?

I can't remember now, but she was worried that Lisa would doxx her, so she asked MNHQ to change her user name.

PermanentIyExhaustedPigeon · 22/03/2024 17:05

How did Lisa even identify the OP of the other thread? I don't get it. If 1.2k people have signed up to this year's OTM, how did she know which one was asking on MN for reviews?

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Therewasalittlegirl77 · 22/03/2024 16:40

NimbleRaven · 22/03/2024 12:14

The ‘anonymous’ part of it is rather unfair though don’t you think.

Anonymous people on here were dragging her name and her business through the mud. Not just her but her affiliates too. Naming them. Making some false accusations. People who, by their own admission, had no previous knowledge of her. No experience of working with her. Hadn’t done any of her courses. Whether that was fair or not is a matter of opinion as we have seen. IMO What started out as fair request for help from people who had done the course turned into a witch hunt with people jumping on a band wagon.

And yet when she retaliates and calls that behaviour out it’s ‘unjust’ and ‘uncalled for’. Pretty sure if they weren’t hiding behind anonymity she would have named them. But at the same time if they weren’t hiding behind an anonymity I doubt they would have actually made those comments in the first place.

You’re correct. It certainly did feel like retaliation.

Cambridge online dictionary states:
Retaliation:

the act of hurting someone or doing something harmful to someone because they have done or said something harmful to you.

Having said that I can’t recall the defamatory or harmful remarks from the original, now deleted post from last week.

I can recall posters posting as if they were replying to Lisa in the belief that either her or her team was watching and some comments could have been deemed argumentative or antagonistic possibly.

I can recall posters challenging methods and claims made by Lisa or her affiliates - that was uncomfortable as posters were unable to find evidence to substantiate claims that had been made for various people but as a part of due diligence one would expect to be researched in this way and variances challenged by a potential client or investor.

Please correct me if I am wrong on this as I’m happy to understand.

It very much felt like a retaliation which was unpleasant to watch unfold and provided me with an opportunity to make my own judgement.

I did not feel the comments made on facebook were directed at a minority of MumsNet users, but at the platform and its users as a whole, and so as a user myself felt that was directed at me as much as anybody else using this site.

Moving forward I would be very grateful if MN can make contact with the original ORIGINAL Poster from the deleted thread to make sure they are ok as all of this has come about as a result of them asking a question and I know that they were provided with a refund and blocked by Lisa / Lisas team and that cannot have left a very nice feeling for the OOP and I for one feel sorry for them possibly feeling stuck in the middle of all this.

peace and love everyone ☮️

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