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I would like a reply to the "Reply" issue

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DappledThings · 03/11/2023 09:07

Just thought I'd start another thread to get more attention on this again as there has been no answer as to whether it is even being looked at.

A few comments on MNHQ's recent thread about the new feature pointing out nobody asked for that but a lot of us have asked you to fix this.

To summarise: The button marked Reply does not do what it says. It adds a post, it does not do a reply. MN has no reply feature but, bizarrely, chooses to have a button that pretends it does. This leads to threads full of "replies" that have no context and are impossible to follow. Plus posts saying "sorry, not sure why my reply didn't work, I clicked reply"

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DappledThings · 02/02/2024 08:30

The amount of people who think reply isn't working is astonishing but reply does exactly what it's supposed to and made some sort of sense before they added the ability to quote posts.
I don't think it has ever made sense to have a button marked reply which doesn't reply to the post. Regardless of the quote feature I would always expect "Reply" to mean something happened in relation to the post I had hit reply on, not to the thread in general.

It is "working" in that it does what it is designed to do, but the design is nonsensical from the off.

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NoWordForFluffy · 02/02/2024 08:23

DerekFaker · 02/02/2024 08:15

I don't know why we need Reply AND Add Post. It all just adds to the (understandable) confusion.

Well, yes, there is that too! It's all rather ridiculous.

YourNameGoesHere · 02/02/2024 08:21

NoWordForFluffy · 02/02/2024 07:21

Reply is working as it's meant to (adding a post to the thread). The problem is, people think it does what the - now hidden - quote button does. All they need to do is swap quote in the drop down for reply beneath the posts and it should resolve many issues.

Indeed The amount of people who think reply isn't working is astonishing but reply does exactly what it's supposed to and made some sort of sense before they added the ability to quote posts.

The most astonishing thing though is the fact we're years down the road and still getting wishy washy we're looking into this and testing this posts from HQ. It's very clear there's not much happening with regards to resolving the issue. If they've not fixed it by now then I am incredibly sceptical they have any intention of doing so.

DerekFaker · 02/02/2024 08:15

I don't know why we need Reply AND Add Post. It all just adds to the (understandable) confusion.

NoWordForFluffy · 02/02/2024 07:21

SpacesNotTabs · 01/02/2024 23:21

Not sure what you mean by "pure IT terms", there are so many different kinds of testing that they could mean, unit testing, regression testing, exploratory testing, usability testing... Maybe they've been doing some A/B testing?

I do think reply could be a bit complex, how is it supposed to work? Could be threading, or a link to the thing you're replying to, or just mentioning the person you are replying to, for example.

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Reply is working as it's meant to (adding a post to the thread). The problem is, people think it does what the - now hidden - quote button does. All they need to do is swap quote in the drop down for reply beneath the posts and it should resolve many issues.

UnremarkableBeasts · 02/02/2024 07:00

Whinge · 31/01/2024 10:16

I agree there are other tests that don't require user input. But how do you figure out what the best option is for the largest majority of users, if you don't actually ask those who use your site?

I have seen many organisations take all sorts of approaches to ‘test’ things that somehow sidestep user research or completely ignore it.

Often more senior people apparently just know what users need and can test things in lieu of them. 🙄

SpacesNotTabs · 01/02/2024 23:21

LookItsMeAgain · 31/01/2024 10:16

In pure IT terms it really should though.

What sort of tests do you think they mean?

Not sure what you mean by "pure IT terms", there are so many different kinds of testing that they could mean, unit testing, regression testing, exploratory testing, usability testing... Maybe they've been doing some A/B testing?

I do think reply could be a bit complex, how is it supposed to work? Could be threading, or a link to the thing you're replying to, or just mentioning the person you are replying to, for example.

LookItsMeAgain · 31/01/2024 10:16

UnremarkableBeasts · 31/01/2024 10:02

‘Tests’ could mean all sorts of things. It doesn’t necessarily mean user testing.

In pure IT terms it really should though.

What sort of tests do you think they mean?

Whinge · 31/01/2024 10:16

UnremarkableBeasts · 31/01/2024 10:02

‘Tests’ could mean all sorts of things. It doesn’t necessarily mean user testing.

I agree there are other tests that don't require user input. But how do you figure out what the best option is for the largest majority of users, if you don't actually ask those who use your site?

UnremarkableBeasts · 31/01/2024 10:02

‘Tests’ could mean all sorts of things. It doesn’t necessarily mean user testing.

DappledThings · 31/01/2024 09:52

Lots of posters offered to help with the testing, only to be met with silence
Yep, really annoying. And yet what ever "solution" is finally implemented they will claim it was user tested widely.

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LookItsMeAgain · 31/01/2024 09:51

You do know that they'll probably call it something else just to confuse us, them and any one else who may in the future be tasked with supporting the Talk boards 😂
Because you can never have too many things called different names but essentially are the same thing

Whinge · 31/01/2024 09:45

UnremarkableBeasts · 31/01/2024 09:26

Maybe they’re doing some rigorous user research and iterative design to make sure they get it right.

You would think it makes sense to do some user research and reach out to those who use the site to help with improvements. But way back in November when HebeMumsnet posted

We're going to run some tests to figure out what the best option is for the largest majority of users

Lots of posters offered to help with the testing, only to be met with silence.

I was first to reply to the OP (although I know plenty have suggested the same thing in the past) and said I wish they would just move the quote button to where reply is. Yet here we are months later and Mumsnet is still ignoring the most obvious solution. Confused

UnremarkableBeasts · 31/01/2024 09:26

Maybe they’re doing some rigorous user research and iterative design to make sure they get it right.

LookItsMeAgain · 31/01/2024 09:20

MN Admins & coding team were quick enough to be able to bring in the "Thanks" option but they can't get this issue that has been hanging around even longer that I don't know what, sorted.

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LookItsMeAgain · 31/01/2024 09:18

I mean how difficult is it to swap the location of the "Quote" option and the "Add Reply" option around?

Seriously - how difficult would that have been to implement?????

Just swap them around. The 'functionality' of these two options would move with them but the Quote would be where Add Reply is and Add Reply would be hidden under the three dots.

I cannot fathom how MN are making this out to be a bigger issue than it really needs to be.

MediumWell · 30/01/2024 22:10

YourNameGoesHere · 30/01/2024 18:37

I still have the useless button sitting there doing less than a bloke with man flu lying on the sofa wearing the dressing gown of doom...

You need to turn the sound up on your device, it’s making a groaning sound to me. 🤣

TheShellBeach · 30/01/2024 21:44

Right, this is really weird.
The Reply button has returned.

Baffled.

DappledThings · 30/01/2024 19:20

YourNameGoesHere · 30/01/2024 18:37

I still have the useless button sitting there doing less than a bloke with man flu lying on the sofa wearing the dressing gown of doom...

😂

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Heather37231 · 30/01/2024 18:41

Yeah, nothing has changed.

YourNameGoesHere · 30/01/2024 18:37

I still have the useless button sitting there doing less than a bloke with man flu lying on the sofa wearing the dressing gown of doom...

DappledThings · 30/01/2024 18:22

TheShellBeach · 30/01/2024 17:53

@DappledThings have you noticed it? I don't see how removing the Reply button completely is going to improve matters, do you? Or am I missing something obvious?

The Quote button is still under the three dots.

No, I don't think removing is a significant improvement but better than it being there at all. If there's no option to "Reply" then people can't use it thinking they are doing so wouldn't write as if they were answering a specific post.

I use the desktop mobile site. It's the same as it was for me.

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Bobbotgegrinch · 30/01/2024 18:00

TheShellBeach · 30/01/2024 17:55

Sorry - you'll have to click on the whole image to see what I mean.

Desktop hasn't had a reply button for a long while (if ever). It's called "Add message" on desktop and is on the far left. Does the same thing, but the wording makes a bit more sense. Still a stupid place for it though.

TheShellBeach · 30/01/2024 17:55

Sorry - you'll have to click on the whole image to see what I mean.

TheShellBeach · 30/01/2024 17:55

This is what it looks like for me now:

I would like a reply to the "Reply" issue