Pregnant people?! It's 'women'

I can't be arsed to spend my evening unhiding parts of the boards to try and find posts for you tbh. Why don't you have a look yourself if you are so keen to prove there are no transphobic people who ever post on Mumsnet? I would hope the mods delete transphobic comments these days. Though I can find you plenty of sexist and misogynistic comments, and apologists for racism, and ableist comments, though sometimes they are deleted also. Out of the thousands and thousands of posters on Mumsnet who come here from Twitter, Facebook, Daily Mirror, Daily Mail, The Sun and everywhere else posters descend from where MN links and posts are repeated, are you honestly saying that no-one out of all those posters has transphobic views or posts transphobic comments? That MN is some kind of idyll where no-one is rude or unkind? Get real.

OK, let's be super precise. Female means having a body organised around the production of large gametes and the ability to gestate. Organised is the key word here. We're talking about how the female body develops in utero and in life. Things can go wrong at many points and an individual woman may not be able to become pregnant or she may choose not to, but she will still be female, just as she is female before puberty and after the menopause, and if she has a hysterectomy.

I'm not sure I can, I'm 48 years old. My DM certainly can't, nor my MIL.

Women: adult female humans. Only women and girls can get pregnant, not all women and girls. Both your mother and mother in law could, when they were in their fertile years, right? You know this.

No.

What I am looking for is examples. Which you still can't give. Quite surprising really given there was PLENTY as much as a year ago.

Woman = adult human female isn’t transphobia though

Or are you arguing it is?

Women can reproduce. Saying that is not about ownership nor ideology. It's saying they can reproduce.

I'm not sure I can, I'm 48 years old. My DM certainly can't, nor my MIL.

So much transphobia on Mumsnet but so little any examples.

I think few was the determiner you were looking for.

I wouldn't know, I've hidden that part of the boards as soon as you were able to, a year or so ago at least. There was certainly plenty of it back then.

Women do not control the narrative of what women are. Women is a patriarchal term imposed on female people to control their behaviour and mark out the members of the species that are capable of reproduction.

Erm....why shouldn't women be able to define themselves? Why are they merely support humans?

Yes we can reproduce, but that shouldn't mean we don't have own agency.

Who exactly is saying the word woman is imposed? Not me. Not others on this thread. It's just material reality. That's not about controlling women.

The bit about controlling women is the first sentence where you say that women don't get to define themselves.

Women can reproduce. Saying that is not about ownership nor ideology. It's saying they can reproduce.

Men coming along and saying nope, now women are just the humans with high heels, lumpy bits on their chest for the enjoyment of others and a bit of lipstick, rather than the reality of reproduction (or lack of) on our bodies is where women lose their own power and agency.

Dear me, you sound like a rather angry birthing body human.

I do hope you have many happy birthing body human days ahead of you🌻

So much transphobia on Mumsnet but so little any examples.

No but it's considerably more straighforward.

Women do not control the narrative of what women are. Women is a patriarchal term imposed on female people to control their behaviour and mark out the members of the species that are capable of reproduction.

No, it's just the word for an adult female human. A doe is an adult female deer. Or rabbit. A buck is an adult male rabbit.

What you're talking about, is the sexist stereotypes that have been imposed on women. They don't have to be the story. Break free!

Why did you choose a two men (gay male) for your couple?

Two women (gay female couple) cant get each other pregnant either.....

They are also extreme caricatures of women based on sexist stereotypes of women.

Two are over sexualised and have bodies that no woman could possibly have in real life and pander to the desires of men.

The other is an unflattering representation of an apparent left wing feminist who is supposedly angry because she can't get a shag.

I am not sure it's possible to pick three names which illustrate sexism and the fact that men view women through the lens of fuckability and availability more acutely if you tried.

Women are not caricatures. Nor are they defined by their fuckability status.

Excellent points, @RedToothBrush

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I'm not arguing against equality legislation, just about how words are used- as others have said, language is important and influential.

Yes, the point being made by many of the women you disagree with. Women need their own language to make sense of our experience as a disadvantaged group's , too.

Do you want a hand clap?

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Be pure of thought and allow the words like bleeder, breeder and barren be used in law to replace women.

What on earth are you wanging on about now? Oh dear.

If you're not angry about this, then you're NOT paying attention!

Nonsense. We can chose what to be angry about, I'd have a big list of things before being upset at being called a person instead of a woman.

Do you want a hand clap?

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Be pure of thought and allow the words like bleeder, breeder and barren be used in law to replace women.

You ideology is ignore that only women can be pregnant all the social disadvantages that biology brings with it.

What I would say is while I have some concerns over male bodied people being allowed to be in female only spaces, I am dismayed to see how the right wing anti-gay, misogynistic, racist, PC gorn mad types have managed to recruit people who would never be racist etc in their lives to be transphobic and go on about women being erased because of the use of a word.

This ^ was you trying to shame women into pretending that special men should have womens rights

You make an uneducated claim about "the law" in the UK, the law recognises sex based rights.
it is the sex based rights which differ for women engaged in sexual reproduction and for men engaged in sexual reproduction because both sex have differrent needs.

your own bigotry is showing when you decide that people who dont agree with you must be bigots who are too stupid to understand the harm in removing the meaning of the word woman.

ah well women are just support humans after all - god forbid we should have wants & needs of our own

I can understand young female children running headlong into the arms of the trans cult because of porn culture, not because of feminists who say women are adult human females.

...so women should just abandon it in case it makes someone feel sad, regardless of how women feel?

I'm not arguing against equality legislation, just about how words are used- as others have said, language is important and influential.

Women are not caricatures. Nor are they defined by their fuckability status.This is where you are wrong.
Women are regularly caricatured, not only in some TRA dressup, but in everything from Karens to WAGs, and women are absolutely defined by their fuckability status, we still distinguish in honorifics women who are available for fucking and those who are off limits because another man has exclusive fucking rights.

Women do not control the narrative of what women are. Women is a patriarchal term imposed on female people to control their behaviour and mark out the members of the species that are capable of reproduction.

I can understand young female children running headlong into the arms of the trans cult because older feminists say that they cant be female unless they agree to become a woman, with all that entails in today's pornified world.