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MN towers people, PLEASE don't advertise Bernard Matthews!

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TooTicky · 12/09/2007 22:02

They are uncaring and unhygienic. Shocking lack of animal welfare. I was shocked to see it at the top of the page.

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hunkermunker · 15/09/2007 00:57
Aitch · 15/09/2007 00:56

i can't be arsed watching it, tbh, i'm strictly Any Questions and Any Answers. although last week's was ... it was a bit Welcome To The Haychee And Bobbysmum07 Show.

hunkermunker · 15/09/2007 00:53

There's enough casualties from the prog to make you think that anybody who wasn't In Politics properly would be v wary of going on. Luckily for viewers, that's not the case

Aitch · 15/09/2007 00:52

apparently a mate of mine was on recently (i didn't see him) and it was another popular culture figure goes on QT and gets eaten alive scenario. i wish i'd seen it, lol.

hunkermunker · 15/09/2007 00:48

Yep, really embarrassing. I can't think of much worse than going on QT, really!

Aitch · 15/09/2007 00:47

no i didn't, was she awful? an old editor of mine went on it and mugged for days beforehand. had all the political etc eds debriefing her. (you'd think she'd have known this stuff, natch, but she didn't cos she was a Total Flake).

hunkermunker · 15/09/2007 00:45

And did you SEE her on Question Time?! Was SO embarrassing - like she thought she could blag it by flirting a bit, then got stroppy when they expected Proper Answers.

hunkermunker · 15/09/2007 00:44

Yes, I liked the sex ed prog - v powerful, I thought (though what's become of it?), but she still did that godawful mug to camera, mouth-slightly agape, dopey frozen look that might've worked on Streetmate but looks RIDICULOUS on a got-to-be-pushing-40 mother of 3, fgs.

Aitch · 15/09/2007 00:42

i used to like her, tbh, when BB first started. but she never advanced her career, never used her brain. apart from with that sex education film, which i thought was pretty good actually. but yes, a bit too vocal for a midwife. god, i loved my midwife.

hunkermunker · 15/09/2007 00:38

God, can you imagine much worse than Davina pulling faces at you in mock something or other while you were in labour?!

Big Mother vagina, this is Davina, you are LIVE on Channel 4, please do not...omg there's a BABY coming out!

Aitch · 15/09/2007 00:34

totally. but she's bollock-famous. she's always banging on about being a midwife etc, you'd think she'd just advertise something else.

hunkermunker · 15/09/2007 00:33

Reading between the lines, that WAS what they said, Aitch!

My point was that it undermined their campaign if a Nestle face advertised the NCT, who are v pro Nestle-ban and, in fact, Nestle must be laughing their ARSES off at them. Which is sad, I think.

Aitch · 15/09/2007 00:30

LOL. i'd kinda be impressed if they said 'look, she's bollock-famous and she's doing us a favour so we can't push our luck and tell her who to work for, m'kay?'

hunkermunker · 15/09/2007 00:26

They muttered, shuffled their feet and hoped I went away, Aitch. Very Impressive...

Aitch · 15/09/2007 00:25

how has the NCT explained that away, though, hunks? did they issue a statement?

hunkermunker · 15/09/2007 00:15

I'd like you not to take ads from any company I boycott, which includes these.

But it's not my site.

I think Davina's disingenuous for advertising for Garnier and fronting the NCT campaign as well.

JustineMumsnet · 14/09/2007 14:30

Hi VVV,

Sorry - we hadn't see that but we have now and have realised that Davina is on Garnier ads which is L'Oreal which is part owned by Nestle. This is another of those tricky ones... As we see it right now, the Nestle protest is about them supplying formula milk to the developing world - we make the protest by boycotting advertising from the nestle brand and all the products that Nestle plc produces.

Nestle also has investments in lots of other companies which we don't at the moment disallow ads from - quite a big list of pretty harmless companies, many of which are operating out of Nestle's control - they are just one of a group of large shareholders like any pension fund might be.
Right now we don't include them on our banned list.

The analogy about the veggie who eats fish probably holds here too tbh - but again, as Aitch says - it's a gesture and it's not perfect but we're doing what we can whilst trying to keep the site free to use. That said as always it's up for discussion and we'd be keen to know your thoughts...

VeniVidiVickiQV · 14/09/2007 14:09

Justine - did you see my thread in Site Stuff about the Davina ad?

Piggy · 14/09/2007 14:05

If you use kaspersky for your anti virus software all the adverts disappear. It's bliss!

TooTicky · 14/09/2007 14:03

It's not so much that I want it ad-free for me, rather that I don't like seeing these horrid companies seeming all squeaky clean because they are on a parenting site.
I do appreciate the difficulty of your situation.

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JustineMumsnet · 14/09/2007 13:59

Hello folks,
Bernard Matthews isn't on our banned list right now because we weren't aware that they were particularly evil re lack of animal welfare relative to other food suppliers. Obviously you can argue that battery/ intensive farming methods are cruel per se but if we go down that route then does that mean we shouldn't have anyone who sells this stuff either - ie all the Supermarkets etc? Whilst it would be nice, it wouldn't be viable if we want to keep the site free to use.

So I guess what Aitch says is right - we make a gesture as a protest against things we feel strongly about - like formula milk advertising, plastic surgery etc - but to be completely consistent would be impossible. If you feel that Bernard Matthews is one of those companies that we ought to add to the list because their practices are particularly evil let us know. We don't tend though to include companies just because the products they supply are unhealthy - or we really would have very few left to advertise and we don't really see it as our job to tell people what they should and shouldn't consume.

In an ideal world, of course, we'd like only to take advertising from small, green, wholly ethical businesses or indeed none at all but in reality we have costs to meet and this is kind of the best we can manage.

It's not perfect we know - it's a bit like being a veggie and still eating fish or wearing leather shoes I guess, but you do what you can.

One idea we've thought of is to supply an ad-free MN to folks willing to pay an annual fee for that...

Do let us know your thoughts.

MNHQ

Aitch · 14/09/2007 12:54

i'm with tottie and kewcumber. i think it's very decent of MNHQ to try to keep a lid on Nestle but it is a token effort in the face of global capitalism. it's too much to ask them to avoid big companies that are cruel because let's face it, they all are. Wouldn't buy BM products, though, because they look like shit.

Tottie32 · 14/09/2007 12:45

i have never bought the stuff and never will...

but i dont mind seeing an advert......

Pamina · 14/09/2007 12:42

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MarinaLaPasionaria · 14/09/2007 12:41

Oh yes, please get rid of this ad