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Civility - what we should and shouldn't allow

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JustineMumsnet · 25/04/2007 10:00

Hello all,
We've just deleted a thread entitled:
"AM a bit pissed so this isnt gonna be worded as eloquently as one would wish, but Gordon Brown is a bit of a cock sucker so who the fuck are we gonna vote for?" on the grounds that some folk had complained, it's a personal attack and also we'd like to get him on for an online chat and we didn't think leaving it up would be helpful in that regard .

But it did get us thinking about what sort of guidelines (beyond posts which break the law) we should have as a rule, particularly with regard to folk who are in the public eye - celebs etc.

We've always shied away from deleting on the grounds of poor taste (who's taste and where do you draw the line?) and we certainly are not too fussed about swear words. But naturally there's a lot of comment on MN, much of it tongue in cheek for sure, that could be construed as as abusive towards famous folk - equally true is that it's an awful lot tamer than elsewhere on the net.

Mumsnet (as you know ) is pro freedom of speech as a rule and have no wish to censor or stop the conversation flowing. What's more our stated aim is to make parents' lives easier - and a bit of bit of a vent/laugh is often a useful thing but should we intervene more or is it a case of just reminding/ urging folk to be civil and treating each case on it's merit?

Should there be one rule for celebs and one rule for the rest? Had the Gordon Brown comment been made on the thread and not in the title of it, we might have been inclined to let it stand - but does that make any sense?

We'd be very grateful if you'd let us know your thoughts about where you think the lines should be drawn and what sort of level of intervention you'd like.
Ta very mucho,
MNHQ

OP posts:
SmileysPeoples · 25/04/2007 13:47

I've moved on from eyeliner.

I have lipstick issues now.

Porcupine · 25/04/2007 13:45

lol at nob rot

WelshBoris · 25/04/2007 13:45

I really did and Carrie said "think we'll leave that one pass"

Awful name though, and I don't like swearing in thread titles. Or swearing for swearing sakes.

Like Greeny and Hunker do all the time.

Porcupine · 25/04/2007 13:44

ah smiley bog off wiht your eyeliner

littlelapin · 25/04/2007 13:43

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SmileysPeoples · 25/04/2007 13:43

Porcupine I presumed it was you.

I've never reported anyone.

I'm more offened by the baltant stupidity or smugness (often together) that appears on here, than by foul language.

and then I'm not offended, just outraged and insensed..momentarily..until something else diverts my miniscule attention.

WelshBoris · 25/04/2007 13:39

their

WelshBoris · 25/04/2007 13:39

I reported someone last week because there name was knobrot.

I am turning into my grandmother, I'll be shopping in Bon Marche next.

Porcupine · 25/04/2007 13:38

i in a rahter sad ex head girl way always point out a potentially leibellous thread to mn

littlelapin · 25/04/2007 13:35

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PeachyChocolateEClair · 25/04/2007 13:31

PMSL Welshy One

WelshBoris · 25/04/2007 13:26

I can't believe MNHQ let it stay for as long as they did.

Too busy eating KitKats I suppose

VeniVidiVickiQV · 25/04/2007 13:19

I think it should be a free-for-all, as long as apparent personal attacks on celebs are always pre-fixed by "AIBU in thinking..." and started in the AIBU topic.

Rather than MNHQ delete any threads that contravene this - they should simply be moved to the AIBU topic and MNHQ prefix the thread title with "Is xxxOPerxxx allegedly being unreasonable in thinking......." so that we can all see what the blardy hell was so awful that it may be deemed too offensive

Please please please PLEASE can we also have a rubberneck emoticon?

Katy44 · 25/04/2007 13:14

Porcupine, no, it was this one

Greensleeves · 25/04/2007 13:12

Holysmoke, I think you've blundered into the wrong forum - here is your true spiritual home

Porcupine · 25/04/2007 13:09

sdn if you are offende byt hat YOU sSO SO SO need to get out more

Porcupine · 25/04/2007 13:09

OI THAT was me
adn it was flippign babies

SmileysPeoples · 25/04/2007 13:08

I missed the 'sodding babies'. Why were they sods and why was it objected too?

Dimpled are you dimpledthighs?

Dimpled · 25/04/2007 12:59

Katy 44 - I liked the 'sodding babies' as it is so real and honest. That is what I like about mumsnet.

Katy44 · 25/04/2007 12:38

My point beinf self-moderation might not work too well either

Katy44 · 25/04/2007 12:37

It's always going to be subjective though - littlelapin, yes, I did regret the "sodding babies" one as I could understand how it was offensive. I then found it incredible a week or so later to read a new thread called "Bugger the babies..." or something - does anyone know why that one was OK as I can't see the distinction, but AFAIK no-one mentioned it.

Holysmoke · 25/04/2007 12:29

I dunno. I wonder sometimes.

SmileysPeoples · 25/04/2007 12:23

Pathetic I don't swear more in RL?? Strill don't understand.

I think being an adult you learn what kind of languahe is appropriate in what situations.

Eg many men (nad women) use really foul language at the football, that they'd never use at home or work.

Dh and I had this conversation when he started taking DS to football and I was concerned about foul language. Dh said that DS would hear the language but learn from us that it was one thing for grown men to use that langaue at football and totally another for him or us to use that langaue at home/school/work etc.

I think he was right.

Isn't MN for grown women?

Holysmoke · 25/04/2007 12:18

You misunderstand. I mean pathetic in the traditional sense rather than the slang and insulting sense.

PeachyChocolateEClair · 25/04/2007 12:15

Housemum we agree then, as thats what I vaguely said- just remnd people to think first.