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Is Mumsnet HQ evil or not very bright.

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TiggyD · 23/07/2015 20:02

As some of you may already know you're allowed to call transgendered women "men in dresses" and refer to them as "he" and "him.

"So some men dressing as women..." as one posted said in relation to trans women got the reply from RebeccaMN:

We agree that this post is in poor taste but we don't tend to delete on those grounds because it would be really hard to know where to draw the line.
The truth is, we don't think we should be the arbiters of what people should find offensive and what they shouldn't. In these instances, it's very rare that a tasteless comment is left unchallenged, and we would highly recommend that you put forward your point of view on the thread.

Well firstly I think Mumsnet should draw the line at discrimination of a protected minority group.

Secondly, if MN don't think they should be the arbiters of what people should find offensive, maybe they should ask a representative from a human rights or anti discrimination group? Misgendering is always wrong.

Thirdly, is it rare an tasteless comment is unchallenged? Now the trans people on Mumsnet refuse to post on trans related threads who the hell is going to challenge them?

Fourthly, that post was unchallenged. Have a look at the thread.

Fifthly, "tasteless"? "TASTELESS"?! WTF? Tofu is tasteless. Would MNHQ describe calling people spastics or coons or faggots as tasteless? Misgendering is a put-down towards an entire minority. Dismissed as tasteless. Angry

A quick look at a quote about the 2010 equality act:
"harassment - unwanted behaviour linked to a protected characteristic that violates someone’s dignity or creates an offensive environment for them".

Is there harassment in trans related threads on here? Is the dignity of all transwomen violated by referring to them all as men in dresses? Bleedingly obviously yes. Does it create an offensive environment for them? How the hell could it not? Does Mumsnet do anything to stop it? No.

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It all makes me wonder if the people of MNHQ are deliberately letting all this unkindness and discrimination and harassment go on because they evil, or because they don't know any better.
I think I have it. I reckon it's like the Ricky Gervais thing where he started doing "Mong" faces. All kinds of people told him it was offensive and an unkind name for people with Downs Syndrome but he refused to accept it. I think he thought that as he believed himself to be a good person, and he used the word mong, that mong had to be an acceptable word because he was good. I think it must be like that in MNHQ. They believe themselves to be good people and when they allow people to call transwomen men on thier site it's fine because their belief in themselves being good trumps all the views of the victims.

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One question for MNHQ that I alluded to earlier. Have you ever asked any kind of trans, human rights, or anti-discrimination group about how to treat trans people?

Have you?

Ever?

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BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 26/07/2015 10:43

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EhricLovesTheBhrothers · 26/07/2015 10:42

SophiesDog this blog might be useful transgenderreality.com

Egosumquisum · 26/07/2015 10:36

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SophiesDog · 26/07/2015 10:34

Ok, happy to not talk about 'you', but maybe don't talk about 'you' either then ask us to comment on your gender?

that might avoid it.

Egosumquisum · 26/07/2015 10:25

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whemovedmypopcorn · 26/07/2015 10:24

*My last post was an error, I started to post using your old name then realised after the post and tried to erase it and put your new one. Accidentally put both.

This is the lion's den. There are vocal posters on here who don't agree with what I say - and there is no fucking way I am going to open up on here with my views on what it is to be trans when I will get a whole load of aggro and abuse from people.It's so easy to post and say stuff when most of the people agree with you. I am not brave enough to post my views on the internet when I will get attacked /hassled / challenged about stuff that is personal to me.I am sure that if you had a view on something incredibly personal and you knew that many people on that forum did not agree with you - that you would think twice before posting.I am not brave enough.

Absolutely not. You're manipulative. If you were "scared" of us you wouldn't be here asking us if you were male. You are expecting that the majority of posters will feel sympathy for you because are showing yourself to be sad, and women are socialized to placate people. The Lion's Den is the real world where women are ripped to shreds (even by so called feminists) for not buying o the trans agenda. Where speakers that I want to see are no platformed and conferences I want to attend have to hide their premises because of trans activists.

FloraFox · 26/07/2015 10:22

Do you think it is easy to post about things that will get you called a bigot or hateful? What about the person on another thread who asked me a direct question then when I answered it they said they wished my breasts would fall off and my vagina would rot? Does that make it easy to post on here?

SophiesDog · 26/07/2015 10:22

I can understand the difficulty drawing the line between sharing and oversharing.

I think though that it is a bit frustrating trying to deal with someone who is having this difficulty with boundaries.

There's no obligation to share details about your life. But it is your responsibility to sort your own boundaries out or it makes people have to tiptoe around you - tell us what is Ok and what isn't but don't change your mind all the time, that's not fair.

CoogerAndDark · 26/07/2015 10:19

What did you think of the responses on the thread linked to? Were they helpful at the time?
Why get so bogged down in an argument about biology if you know there is an opposing view that isn't going to change. You seem to confuse that opposing view with abuse. That's your problem, not mine, as it isn't intended to be personal. I would not March up to you in the street and go on about it, but if asked, as you have asked, I will give my answer.

Egosumquisum · 26/07/2015 10:14

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CoogerAndDark · 26/07/2015 10:12

If 'some of the stuff' is that a biological male can become a biological female then it's not a debate you are ever going to win. Not a personal attack any more than an atheist saying there is no God.

whemovedmypopcorn · 26/07/2015 10:09

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Egosumquisum · 26/07/2015 10:06

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CoogerAndDark · 26/07/2015 10:05

I am sure MNHQ would be very considerate towards a request to have all your previous posts deleted. They do recognise that a gradual build up of Outy stuff sometimes leads to the wish to have it pulled. It would probably not be wise to then refer back to that persona on Trans threads as that would defeat the object and not be fair if people wished to counteract your perception of what has gone on before.

TheyGotTheMustardOut · 26/07/2015 10:04

Of course this is an important topic to you. As it is to a lot of the women posting on this and other threads.

You don't need to be the poster child for Trans issues if it has a negative impact on you.

It is good to have the different perspective but not at the expense of your mental health or your real life.

Egosumquisum · 26/07/2015 09:58

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EhricLovesTheBhrothers · 26/07/2015 09:56

Ego you can't refer people to old threads, mention your previous username then get upset when someone does a search of your old name and links an old thread for reference Confused

TheyGotTheMustardOut · 26/07/2015 09:55

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lougle · 26/07/2015 09:48

To be fair, it's all public record. Why wouldn't you want anyone to know your old username when you've already referred to it? You said "If you read past threads, you will see my whole life on there with loads of information and questions answered." Then you are objecting to someone linking to your past thread Confused

Egosumquisum · 26/07/2015 09:46

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StormyBrid · 26/07/2015 09:46

But Ego, you refused to answer questions saying you've answered them before and we should search your posting history to do so. How can we do that without reference to your old username when you haven't answered the questions under the current one?

whemovedmypopcorn · 26/07/2015 09:45

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whemovedmypopcorn · 26/07/2015 09:38

You've already outted yourself Hmm

TheyGotTheMustardOut · 26/07/2015 09:32

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CoogerAndDark · 26/07/2015 09:32

It does illustrate the sort of honest support that people get on here outside of the current debate about terminology, highlighting that MNHQ /MNers tend not to be evil or not very bright.