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Is Mumsnet HQ evil or not very bright.

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TiggyD · 23/07/2015 20:02

As some of you may already know you're allowed to call transgendered women "men in dresses" and refer to them as "he" and "him.

"So some men dressing as women..." as one posted said in relation to trans women got the reply from RebeccaMN:

We agree that this post is in poor taste but we don't tend to delete on those grounds because it would be really hard to know where to draw the line.
The truth is, we don't think we should be the arbiters of what people should find offensive and what they shouldn't. In these instances, it's very rare that a tasteless comment is left unchallenged, and we would highly recommend that you put forward your point of view on the thread.

Well firstly I think Mumsnet should draw the line at discrimination of a protected minority group.

Secondly, if MN don't think they should be the arbiters of what people should find offensive, maybe they should ask a representative from a human rights or anti discrimination group? Misgendering is always wrong.

Thirdly, is it rare an tasteless comment is unchallenged? Now the trans people on Mumsnet refuse to post on trans related threads who the hell is going to challenge them?

Fourthly, that post was unchallenged. Have a look at the thread.

Fifthly, "tasteless"? "TASTELESS"?! WTF? Tofu is tasteless. Would MNHQ describe calling people spastics or coons or faggots as tasteless? Misgendering is a put-down towards an entire minority. Dismissed as tasteless. Angry

A quick look at a quote about the 2010 equality act:
"harassment - unwanted behaviour linked to a protected characteristic that violates someone’s dignity or creates an offensive environment for them".

Is there harassment in trans related threads on here? Is the dignity of all transwomen violated by referring to them all as men in dresses? Bleedingly obviously yes. Does it create an offensive environment for them? How the hell could it not? Does Mumsnet do anything to stop it? No.

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It all makes me wonder if the people of MNHQ are deliberately letting all this unkindness and discrimination and harassment go on because they evil, or because they don't know any better.
I think I have it. I reckon it's like the Ricky Gervais thing where he started doing "Mong" faces. All kinds of people told him it was offensive and an unkind name for people with Downs Syndrome but he refused to accept it. I think he thought that as he believed himself to be a good person, and he used the word mong, that mong had to be an acceptable word because he was good. I think it must be like that in MNHQ. They believe themselves to be good people and when they allow people to call transwomen men on thier site it's fine because their belief in themselves being good trumps all the views of the victims.

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One question for MNHQ that I alluded to earlier. Have you ever asked any kind of trans, human rights, or anti-discrimination group about how to treat trans people?

Have you?

Ever?

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whemovedmypopcorn · 24/07/2015 20:15

Also, curiously, Tiggy seems to not give two fucks about transmen. You know the kind of trans person who started life with a vagina. Might mention mention them on a parenting site as they are likely to have given birth and suffer real discrimination, hey? No? Just TW?

Tiggy also regularly trolls the Feminism section despite no being a feminist...his thing is telling women what to do.

  • oh and I have also had a pm from Tiggy in the past.
BakingCookiesAndShit · 24/07/2015 20:12

whem You could be right. I'm having awful dramas with my lady brain tonight.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 24/07/2015 20:11

I'm remember being surprised the op was a man, I imagined a harassed sloaney type pearl wearing blonde in a farm house with 4 kids and a plum in her mouth . Shows what I know!

lougle · 24/07/2015 20:10

Life seems so complicated now.

whemovedmypopcorn · 24/07/2015 20:10

I thought Ubik was making a point about tiggy's constant commenting on trans issues while not actually being trans.

Why hadn't Tiggy been banned yet? He is a goady abusive horrible man who likes to bully women on this site via pm's. Really, why is he not banned?

in response to this I think that despite MNHQ being both thick, evil, and transphobic, they actually are worried about offending trans people and their activists and allies. Which would kind of prove this whole thread to be bullshit... I'd guarantee that if I posted a thrad accusing MN of being stupid for allowing goady fuckers in FWR that the thread would practically be pulled before I could post.

HermioneWeasley · 24/07/2015 20:09

March, now that's an excellent question. His treatment of "weirdcatlady* was appalling.

HermioneWeasley · 24/07/2015 20:08

Ooo, I've only just found this thread.

It was me who posted the meme which seemed to irk Tiggy so much.

This one Grin

Is Mumsnet HQ evil or not very bright.
BakingCookiesAndShit · 24/07/2015 20:03

Flora he can describe himself as the Queen of fucking Sheba if he fancies, doesn't make cis any less of a load of old bollocks Grin

Ubik Tiggy is, from his posting history, a gay man, not trans anything, so calling him she would be misgendering him, and he gets very upset if anyone misgenders people, apart from when it's him misgendering women of course, because that's absolutely A-Ok.

MarchLikeAnAnt · 24/07/2015 20:00

Why hadn't Tiggy been banned yet? He is a goady abusive horrible man who likes to bully women on this site via pm's. Really, why is he not banned?

FloraFox · 24/07/2015 20:00

Tiggy would describe himself as a "cis man".

Ubik1 · 24/07/2015 19:57

I think it would be s shame if we couldn't discuss the issue of gender identity.

But in order to do that we do need to refrain from personally attacking people. And if Tiggy wants to be referred to as 'she' then we should respect her wishes.

No doubt I'm 'cisplaining' or whatever

WeirdCatLady · 24/07/2015 19:55

I'm bowing out of this thread now before I say something like 'Oh do fuck off Tiggy, you are a twat and no one here gives a flying fuck what you think'. Not that I would actually ever really say that, as that would be a personal attack.

Nor would I ever bother asking Tiggy why he, as a man, who isn't Trans, who isn't a woman, who doesn't have children, he spends soooooo much time on a parenting website called MUMSnet, trying to tell us how to think. Because, if I asked that he a) wouldn't bother replying on here as he has been ignoring people's questions throughout and b) he would probably just send me another snotty PM (which would fail as I have blocked him - as MNHQ told me to do).

CoogerAndDark · 24/07/2015 19:53

You are doing a massive disservice to a site that supports parents of Trans* DC.

I've seen those threads, have they passed you by? Page upon page of help and advice.

You might need to ask yourself why that bit of a Parenting Site doesn't figure in your attacks. They're not part of the recent trend for men to play at being women in the public eye, courting media attention and claiming to be The face of Trans, the only face of Trans.
You'd rather surf on the waves of the controversial and ignore the lead-up to the threads where women are driven to state why they are uneasy about the erosion of what it means to be female by men aping the most trivial of all the feminine trappings of make up and clothing.

BakingCookiesAndShit · 24/07/2015 19:52

Care to expand Sparkling? It's fine if you don't, but I'm intrigued now! Grin

Sparklingbrook · 24/07/2015 19:51

This thread has been very enlightening in a lot of unexpected ways.

BakingCookiesAndShit · 24/07/2015 19:47

Well quite, Cooger, however, I'm not convinced Tiggy is all that interested in what anyone has to say, not even MNHQ, he just wants to stamp his feet until his hissy fit has worn off.

Poor Tiggy the women didn't listen when you made your manly roar, no wonder you just can't cope. You've been answered, you don't like that answer? Dereg or suck it up. Just stop harassing MNHQ, it's dull now.

FloraFox · 24/07/2015 19:44

There is harassment on this site Tiggy you are doing it right now.

CoogerAndDark · 24/07/2015 19:39
  1. That'll be in Talk Guidelines, I dare say
  2. What earthly business is that of yours? Like they are going to Out any Trans employees for your personal gratification
  3. They did take advice iirc. Doesn't seem to cover one poster throwing their rattle out the pram because the mere mention of alternative views isn't met with an immediate Ban.
BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 24/07/2015 19:38

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Sparklingbrook · 24/07/2015 19:36

Send them another email Tiggy.

SophiesDog · 24/07/2015 19:35

Btw what did the rest of their email say?

I don't think that sentence can have been the whole thing.

Sparklingbrook · 24/07/2015 19:34
Hmm
SophiesDog · 24/07/2015 19:34

Tiggy, it does seem a bit like no one's really interested apart from you. Which doesn't mean you should give up asking if it matters to you. But maybe modifying your approach so it isn't so aggressive might get you further.

I wouldn't blame MNHQ for ignoring you like one ignores a toddler having a tantrum, given your present tone of communication.

TiggyD · 24/07/2015 19:31

I got the usual vauge wishy washy bullshit reply MNHQ usually send out:

Thanks for your Site Stuff thread.
We listen to the Mumsnet community on issues such as this and we appreciate any and all feedback.

You listen to the Mumsnet community, but do you listen to the victims of the abuse on your site?

So Mumsnet, 3 questions, still:

  1. "harassment - unwanted behaviour linked to a protected characteristic that violates someone’s dignity or creates an offensive environment for them". Is there harassment on your site?
  1. Is your policy towards trans people in your office the same as it is on the site?
  1. Have you ever asked an anti-discrimination group for advice on trans matters?
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FloraFox · 24/07/2015 18:55

I don't identify as agender because I don't there is such a thing as internal gender, it's a social construct that I don't agree with. I don't identify as a woman, I just am a women. You can identify me as a woman due to my secondary sexual characteristics. "I identify as..." is new terminology we could do without.

I don't think heterosexuals have any business calling themselves queer.