Would MNHQ consider extending the definition of "misgendering"

On the whole trans people would much rather just be called men or women. Can we drop all reference to transwomen or transmen please.

That doesn't follow Tiggy. I think you've missed the point.

It's simple .

If you don't like Cis (and I find it offensive too) then say so and have it out on the thread.

If you support a blanket ban on 'cis' I assume you also support a blanket ban on 'trans'?

I don't want a blanket ban. For some people the word cis appears to be helpful and they identify with it. What I object to is trans activists or allies insisting I am cisgender and using the word against my wishes. If I see that in here I may report it.

Personally I would like a blanket ban

To me it's as offensive as using the n or p words

blue it's quite reasonable to ask HQ to delete posts calling people cis if they report it and want it removed.

Ehric my confusion was that I had misunderstood; I thought this thread was calling for a blanket ban on the use of the prefix 'cis', with posts deleted if the poster had used it without knowing the person they were talking about objected to the term. Not if they'd said it; been asked not to say it, and then said it again.

Ok, so you want it on a case by case basis with the offended party having made it clear they don't want to be referred to as such, and then reporting once the term has been repeated?

I can't argue against that. Seems like common courtesy!

Can't this be as simple as if anyone uses terms that are overtly offensive and intended to be so then the post gets deleted.

I'd go for this, on the understanding that reports from people who object to being called cis are taken as seriously as those from people who object to being called 'he' when they think of themselves as 'she'.

Those who are happy to be called cis would presumably not report it so it wouldn't be a problem.

snowflakeespecial.tumblr.com/tagged/gender-critical
And this blogger is always worth a read - gender critical trans woman.

blue it's quite reasonable to ask HQ to delete posts calling people cis if they report it and want it removed.

transywansy.wordpress.com/2015/05/19/transwomen-are-women-period-or-not/

Here is an interesting blog from a trans woman about gender identity

Are you asking MNHQ to censor usage of the prefix 'cis'? Or to class it as misgendering? If so, I'm completely in disagreement.

If I want to call myself a ciswoman in a thread about trans issues then I would most certainly not expect to be told I'm not to use the term, especially as it's a widely accepted term in many other online forums/sites.

I respect any poster's right to not like the term and to request not to be referred to using it, but personally I don't have any problem with it. In fact it seems to me the least offensive way of eloquently defining whether a woman was born female or has transitioned.

I'm similarly not 'cis' anything.

I also find it offensive. I'm a woman, not a ciswoman.

The term woman is already complete and clear.

My history lessons were 45 years ago, so apologies if dates are off !

Well, ithe Spartans were around 400 BC and they were quite accepting about homosexuality, including in the army. Seemed to think gay blokes were tough.
A few years later, there was an entire military troop, the Sacred Band of Thebes, composed of 150 pairs of male lovers.

So, homosexuality has been pretty well known for millenia at least. Greek-ruled regions at least may have been quite tolerant until the killjoy Abrahamic religions - Judaism, Christianity, Islam - took hold in large areas of the world.

With members of the opposite sex...as quite obviously homosexuals have sex purely for pleasure as well...

Dammit!! I was on a roll

nina

Ooh ooh!!!

I know this one

Homosexual and heterosexual came at the same time...hetrosexual was used for deviants who had sex purely for pleasure

go me!!!!

It's probably wrong but I read it today

A large part of me thinks that as 99% (a complete guess, I know) of spend their life identifying with the gender they were and the body they have at birth, there isn't a huge need for a new term to identify them.

However, the talk of identifying yourself as what you want (French, accountant, disabled - and I do completely agree with that point) made me think, how long have there been the terms hetero and homosexual, straight and gay? Did the term heterosexual come along after the term homosexual? I'm not sure if I'm going to explain this well, but if there used to be an assumption that the majority of people were heterosexual and there was just a term for homosexuality, as if heterosexuality was the "norm", then did there come a later realisation that the situation was less black and white, and thus the term heterosexual was later needed?

I wonder if this applies to trans/cis as well.

However I'm just musing here - this is a very new area to me.

Wow. I have to say I've not heard of cis before (and I'm a specialist in discrimination issues with a son who at one stage went through some issues in this area). I'm also a woman and most definitely object to being re-labelled a ciswoman.

I agree with the MN stance in general. Can't this be as simple as if anyone uses terms that are overtly offensive and intended to be so then the post gets deleted. There is little point in having a bunch of rules that nobody even knows about unless they happen to click on this thread.

Bath time you missed black (or white if you are actually black) because hey what's your actual colour got to do with it??

Oh and I agree with bathtime about defining yourself however you choose.