Should schools consider outsourcing homework abroad? Or using computer technology to mark work? Your thoughts

I was thinking that too. Why send it abroad if you're going to pay someone else to mark it (other than cost cutting?).

Working in a university where I have to oversee marking done by markers abroad (through franchised programmes), I'd be very wary indeed. All my colleagues agree that it seriously increase our workloads. In fact, we very often have to remark the whole bloody lot ourselves.

Computerised marking may work very well for certain things, but it cannot replace someone knowledgeable looking at work and providing feedback. Believe me, if a computer could mark the 150 or so essays sitting in my desk for me, I'd happily let it get on with it.

am i the only person who thinks fuck off sending i abroad! mark it in Great Britain? why should we send our jobs OVERSEAS! we NEED WORK IN THE UK NOW!

I am not clear what outcome Hattie is measuring. Having a bilingual programme would clearly transform your MFL abilities compared to 40 minutes a week of 'Spanish' taught by a teacher who only speaks English. But maybe he is looking at the results of formal testing in secondary and asking what contributes most to success at that stage? Haven't read the book.

My DD has been very well supported at school and at home. She is not alone! The bilingual programme at school has made a massive contribution to the learning of many, many DC. Without it, their skillset would be far poorer.

A bilingual programme alone is unlikely to have a greater effect size than 0.4 Bonsoir but I'm sure you'll agree that your DD has had above and beyond a bilingual programme as offered by the school.

Boffinmum - according to the Hattie ranking and applying the 0.4 rule a bilingual programme is not worth doing?

I beg to differ! My 10 year old DD has two mother tongues and can write to a high standard in both. Without a bilingual programme that would be nigh-on impossible to achieve.

Homework only has an effect size of d=0.29 according to John Hattie, so it's not even worth losing sleep over, really.

In lay speak, Hattie did a massive review of all the studies in the world that he could find that examined the impact of different things on learning, and made a list which you can see here:

visible-learning.org/hattie-ranking-influences-effect-sizes-learning-achievement/

All the things of less than 0.4 are not usually worth doing. Therefore high quality formative feedback is one of the best things you can offer, outsourced marking of homework looks more dodgy.

Maybe the children could also outsource their homework?

Indeed. I am doing a number of MOOCs at the moment and these make use of auto-grading (as they call it) because I don't think it's very practical to try and mark the coursework of 10,000 students each week :)

However, most of these courses carry little academic credit and are mainly reliant on the university's honour code to stop people from getting someone else to submit the answer for them. Arguably this isn't much different to parents giving children the answers but at least they currently have to write them out!

The act of writing itself is important, not sure how outsourcing is going to help with that.

So then I wonder what axe Education Datalab has to grind. It was launched 25 days ago so looking to make headlines I suspect. (Everyone knows 'free up teachers to do marking by dispensing with admin bollocks' never got anyone a plum job as a government digital champion, right?). It's owned by FFT which creates the school league tables under contract to the government. They also do data mining on the information provided by schools. And no doubt real-time data about individual marks would be even more lucrative useful?

I think that computer testing can provide extremely detailed and accurate feedback, and in a timely manner.

It's not about the mark, is it. It's about the feedback, identifying strengths and weaknesses in knowledge etc.

Daft idea IMO.

I'm quite enthusiastic about computer marking. I sometimes use computer-based self-teaching exercises in order to reinforce English grammar for ESL learners and feel very positive about them. I think the key thing is to develop the right programmes and to ensure they reinforce, not replace, human teaching.

A lot of learning is quite repetitive and greatly helped by practice. Technology can help here.

We could outsource teachers and their pesky planing with robot teachers. There already robot doctors

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2207141/Robot-doctors-RP7-latest-weapon-battle-save-lives-hospitals.html

All schools would need is minimum wage prison guards/ tas to baby sit the children.

In all seriousness I could see that robo teachers might have application for gifted and talented children or children in hospital. I am not serious for mainstream unless a child wants practice a foreign language.

I had a very interesting (professional) conversation recently with a US educator using an online homework and marking system. He loved it and found it very customisable and even empowering. We're talking high school not primary. Teachers already use My Maths and can see the childrens' scores etc from teh tests they take there for homework, it's not a lot different.

I too agree with base9, otherwise what is the point of written homework. Maybe the children could also outsource their homework?

Outsource marking to technology?! We've only just got the internet and a network in my classroom!

Terrible idea, unless it's multiple choice.

I agree with base9 - the teachers needs to understand what the pupils know.
I'm not even sure how much quantitative type homework could be marked by technology. Even in Maths it's using the correct method that's as important as getting the answer right.

Having said that I do think there is room for technology in the classroom. My daughter's school uses ipad's a lot. The teachers can design little tests for the start and end of a lesson / unit of work to help them understand what the pupils already know / how much they have learnt.
A more radical idea might be to reduce the amount of homework children get and let them enjoy their childhood.

Some things can be reliably marked by computers, such as multiple choice questions and maths. But that only recognises absolute right/wrong answers. No point outsourcing such marking, when we already have software for the purpose. (I know MyMaths is flawed, but it has a place, and will, hopefully, be improved and become more sophisticated.)

As for any other aspect of marking, I think outsourcing or computer-marking would be a terrible thing. Firstly, and most importantly, it would put a barrier between the teacher and the pupil. The teacher needs to see the nuances of the pupil's development, where their strengths and weaknesses lie. Secondly, using a computer to mark written work would reduce language skills to a series of algorithms, and destroy the development of creativity.

I've got a counter-suggestion: let's leave teachers to do their work teaching, including marking their students' work, and reduce their burden by getting rid of some of their admin, requiring less micro-managed lesson-planning from them, give them extra PPA time, and reduce the numbers of pupils that they are expected to teach at any one time.

Clearly quantitative questions type homework can be marked by technology. Qualitative can't.

I think for some homework and some areas it should be possible and should free teachers up, which is a good thing, surely?

I think it will happen anyway. Technological solutions are coming for things we can't even imagine. I think teachers are better embracing them early and using them to create more one to one etc for students, rather than waiting till it comes in anyway and enables negative change.

If I do not mark my students' work I will not have an accurate idea of how they are doing, what they understood from the lesson and what they did not. I need that information to plan the next lesson. I would be sceptical of this as a way to cut my workload.