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OFFICIAL MNHQ THREAD on posts about suicide, troll-hunting and related matters

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RowanMumsnet · 23/10/2014 10:10

Hello

There have been so many threads about this over the past few days, and so many divergent points of view - and so much upset - that we'd really like to have the discussion in one place rather than in many different threads all over the boards.

For those who haven't heard yet: we are actively reviewing our policy about threads regarding suicidal feelings and suicidal intent. We are seeking expert input from outside organisations including the Samaritans. Once we have that we will come back and have a further discussion with MNers about the way forward.

We'll be here to talk on the thread throughout the day, but do please note that we WILL delete troll-hunting posts for all the obvious reasons. So PLEASE do not use this thread to make insinuations about identifiable posters - keep it general please.

Re: Wombat: we understand that some reporters had concerns, but at the same time this poster had been around for years with a very consistent posting history. We absolutely do not have any concrete reason to disbelieve her. However, her thread had been immensely upsetting and triggering for many users, and has prompted a site-wide discussion about how we handle these threads. Once her husband had posted that she was at home with him and under the care of RL professionals it really seemed best all round to delete the thread.

We contacted Wombat at the time to explain our deletion and we still feel that for many very good reasons this is best sorted out off-board between us and her; we've asked her again to reply to our email and we will happily take it from there.

We also think that this whole case is a very good illustration of why we have no-trollhunting rules. We understand that some of you find them frustrating, but for every correct troll-call, there's an incorrect one. Being called a troll in public when you're giving an honest account of deeply upsetting real-life circumstances can be devastating for people.

Equally, we do 'get' that there are a lot posters and threads at the moment that seem deeply suspicious. We are on the front foot with this and have been being pretty pro-active at closing things down when they are reported to us and when we can see that things aren't adding up, particularly if they are new users.

So we need you to keep reporting and NOT break troll-hunting rules on the boards unless MNHQ itself has said publicly that we are confident that someone was a deliberate trouble-maker.

The namechange/sock-puppeting thing is extremely easy for us to spot when it's reported. It's not a judgement call - it's black and white and it's the work of a moment for us to spot it and deal with it.

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ChillingGrinBloodLover · 23/10/2014 10:27

Rowan It will be good to have it all on the one thread!

Are you going to lock all the other threads and put a link to this one?

Are you going to be able to read all of the others so we don't need to repost the same things on this thread?

Brew
wooooosualsuspect · 23/10/2014 10:25

The reason people are so suspicious is because there are so many trolls on here.

It's so easy to troll MN.

MrsVamoOOOOOOOOOOs · 23/10/2014 10:24

Not good. Sad

Name changing/ sock-puppeting is easy for HQ to spot, not us.

How can we report when you are more likely to be admonished for suspecting a troll than being one ?

RowanMumsnet · 23/10/2014 10:22

@wooooosualsuspect

There's no point reporting any more.

The Trolls are winning.

That's just not true Usual. We've banned scores of people recently off the back of users' reports.

And the real trolls are presumably very much enjoying seeing perfectly innocent users being accused of trolling, to the extent that anyone posting under a new name runs the risk of being openly disbelieved.

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DrankSangriaInThePark · 23/10/2014 10:20

Mumsnet, by trolls and parents, for trolls and parents.

Big fail.

wooooosualsuspect · 23/10/2014 10:19

MN, the only forum on the internet where troll hunting is worse than trolling.

No wonder this place is riddled with trolls.

wooooosualsuspect · 23/10/2014 10:18

There's no point reporting any more.

The Trolls are winning.

Modestine · 23/10/2014 10:17

You are right, Rowan. It absolutely vindicates the Talk Guidelines' banning of troll hunting, and that should be enforced with rigour.