Scottish Referendum debate - watch with Mumsnet

And my biggest bugbear is that I do not WANT a privatised NHS, as that's the way England's NHS is going. Huge no thanks to that.

A No vote means we're a great target for being nuked (cheers Trident). Move it to London instead. Scottish people are obviously worth sh*t so if they get nuked it's no biggie.

No one in Scotland wants to be ran by a Tory government, thanks. It's not suitable for Scotland's demographic, where we've many who have social problems/need lots of support through the benefits system. These people are not getting the financial help they need in today's Scotland with the current Government. I just need to throw a stone out of a window and I've hit another food bank. They're popping up like Tunnock's tea cakes.

It's only those who work in the finance sector, from wealthy backgrounds who will be bricking it if there's a Yes vote.

And I'm also aware of Cameron's sneaky wee visit up to Shetland the day of the Commonwealth closing ceremony....we're no daft!

Yes, you did come across very bluntly, but I couldn't think of a way of pointing this out without coming across as a total bitch

Literature is really being generous there, and that goes for BT as well as YS!

Well it boils down to this. The English certainly think they know what's best for Scotland. That is David Cameron and his cronies. It's an insult if you ask me.

Santana Hope I don't sound like I'm being blunt in my posts or anything, I think things can come across as being harsh when they aren't, in text! :)

Neither is there anything to say that an independent Scotland definitely would flourish, is there?

No, there isn't. Again, that's why I said I think and not that it would definitely happen. I really can't see anything in my original post that suggested I was making a statement of fact rather an opinion. But having read the White Paper as well as literature from Yes Scotland, Better Together and many other sources, I formed the opinion that it would.

Neither is there anything to say that an independent Scotland definitely would flourish, is there?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Really?! I'm so sorry. I haven't read the entire thread as it's hard to keep up with so many posts, and I hadn't seen your earlier posts. My apologies!

I've heard so many No voters saying the same things with absolute sincerity that I thought you were too. :( Especially the old "Scotland can't run itself, we need Westminster to guide us" line.

If you've got a crystal ball there, I'd like this weekend's lottery numbers.

Already been said further upthread. I do have a bingo card though, and I'm waiting for "plan B" to be mentioned so I can also tick that off.

Well, of course no-one can say with certainty (which is indicated as I said I think -_-)but based on what I have read from both sides, Scotland does have a chance. There's nothing to say an independent Scotland definitely wouldn't flourish.

guess I needed a "lighthearted" somewhere in my post . It is a tad scary though that I thought I was very obviously taking the piss, but others thought I was a genuine no voter

I think the naysayers will be very surprised at how the Scottish economy flourishes.

If you've got a crystal ball there, I'd like this weekend's lottery numbers.

The Scottish NHS has been a separate entity since the formation of the NHS. It has never been part of the English NHS.

However, Andy Burnham, the Shadow Health Secretary, has suggested that the different NHSs should be more one grated and follow the same policies . Makes me cynical about the promise of extra powers.

flamineckpip That voids the argument that we would benefit from a UK NHS even more.

I just hate the assumption that Scotland can't be trusted to look after itself, like a teenager being left at home alone for the first time. We don't need Westminster to govern us, or slap our wrists if we spend too much.

An independent Scotland would take its fair share of current UK debt, then after it was paid off, I think the naysayers will be very surprised at how the Scottish economy flourishes.

I realise this thread has a majority of No voters, and each to their own, everyone is entitled to their views. :) But to any Yes people out there, I've seen a huge increase in support for independence, it's really heartening.

Westminster can privatise the English NHS all they like but they can't touch the Scottish NHS. It's devolved and has been since 1998.

A state of the art nuclear weapons system, a necessity in today's scary scary world.

Better keeping Trident here in Scotland. That way, Westminster can get involved in wars, but ensure that the dangerous weapon is as far away from them as possible, with the most risk to the Scottish people living near it. We also have the benefit of being drawn into wars the UK gets involved in.

A modern fit for purpose NHS driven by competition and private contracts rather than the antiquated system we have at present

Soon to be privatized if the Tories get their way.

And most importantly, as an oil rich region we must not be allowed to squander this wealth. The financial and political institutions of London are far better placed to manage the oil, and run our magnificent, and united, country.

I just found this insulting. Scotland has intelligent people with great financial prowess. We're not a silly, gormless little nation who shouldn't be trusted to run our own finances. I'm so shocked that many Scottish people think this way.

All I know is that if you vote Naw you'll get Hee Haw!

I'm sorry Irnbru, but on this I have to disagree with you .

A no vote gets us lots of wonderful things:

A state of the art nuclear weapons system, a necessity in today's scary scary world.

A modern fit for purpose NHS driven by competition and private contracts rather than the antiquated system we have at present

And most importantly, as an oil rich region we must not be allowed to squander this wealth. The financial and political institutions of London are far better placed to manage the oil, and run our magnificent, and united, country.

All I know is that if you vote Naw you'll get Hee Haw!

I have to agree with this, short and sweet way of putting it, plus I love your username IrnBruTheNoo, although the side effect being I haven't had any Irn Bru today, and now I really want some (but have none, and am at work :( ).

All I know is that if you vote Naw you'll get Hee Haw!

Just noticed that random post - sorry

Oil isn't a massive issye

I don't think many people who have already decided will change their minds after the debate. And the don't knows will not have found it helped. Maybe one side has something up their sleeve to persuade people.

'I saw an interesting take on Salmond's performance last night, but I can't find it again. It said that while Yessers were expecting him to demolish Darling, he wasn't aiming at us, but at the most important people watching, the undecided. Hence his performance being calmer, less attacking... And it seems it worked. I can't link to anything, but what I read was there was a poll (presumably of the audience) and of the undecideds who had made their minds up, 55% were Yes, 45% No. Of those who remained undecided, 75% felt Salmond had won the debate.'

I've really heard it all now. Salmond's below par performance had been planned all along? Yep, sure it was.

And that poll you mention was carried out on 22 people. 22.

prettybird to be fair I can't find a source except a couple of articles, so feel free to ignore - in the end is doesn't matter because a lot of spending is UK allocated so will change under independence. this paper from Glasgow University is interesting.
As I said, Scotland could easily make it alone and using sterling as a currency without a union, but not with current Labour and SNP policies - there is not enough money and, even with all the oil revenue, there is not enough money, so no chance of a soverign wealth fund.

Night night