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No to formula Ad?

69 replies

Flossam · 23/08/2005 21:09

So MN HQ can have more help to figure out how people feel about the ad - post here if you don't like the ad being there. Hope they don't mind!

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Tinker · 24/08/2005 23:39

This is on the Baby Milk Action site re the current campaign in the Independent (which is where I first spotted this stuff) here

myturn · 24/08/2005 23:33

Ok, ok - don't overdo it now!!

edam · 24/08/2005 23:31

Blush Blush Blush Grin

myturn · 24/08/2005 23:30

Oh absolutely - as long as you add a few appropriate too... then I will know you are being genuinly humble!

edam · 24/08/2005 23:30

Is it OK if I just shuffle my feet a bit and look awkward, instead?

myturn · 24/08/2005 23:22

You are welcome - you said what I felt, but much more eloquently. Take a bow.

edam · 24/08/2005 23:21

thank you

myturn · 24/08/2005 23:19

Well said Edam!

edam · 24/08/2005 23:16

Caligula, ASA covers the internet. Not sure this qualifies though as it's disguised as an editorial mention. Would be interested to see what the ASA thinks.

edam · 24/08/2005 23:14

No because it is disguised as an editorial mention, which implies endorsement by MN. And yet it is paid-for by the company.

No because it is an attempt to get round the law.

No because it has put respected MNrs who have given countless hours of their time supporting and informing vulnerable posters in a position where they are no longer able to offer that support. Milupa must be happy that they've run a breastfeeding counsellor off the site - a place where women were actually helped to continue to breastfeed is neatly transformed into a front for a formula company.

No because when a poster actually called their so-called helpline she discovered it is staffed by people who claim they are ex-midwives - shades of Nestle's sales staff dressed in nurses' uniforms.

No because that poster was given misleading information designed to stop her breastfeeding against her clear-expressed wishes.

Socci · 24/08/2005 23:07

Message withdrawn

myturn · 24/08/2005 23:05

Sorry GDG, I posted on the wrong thread .

So NO, once again and for the same reasons!

GeorginaA · 24/08/2005 22:58

NO

teeavee · 24/08/2005 22:40

No. It's the worst kind of advertising -
'hidden', cynical, insidious, hypocritical.
Nasty.

Merlot · 24/08/2005 22:30

No

zaphod · 24/08/2005 22:25

No.

Gobbledigook · 24/08/2005 22:00

Not bothered. It can stay.

(I know this is a 'no' thread but the 'yes' thread is full of 'no' posters sticking their oar in - petty yes, bothered no)

jamiesam · 24/08/2005 21:49

no

spod · 24/08/2005 21:48

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LIZS · 24/08/2005 21:45

no to this particular campaign

tissy · 24/08/2005 21:44

no

Feffi · 24/08/2005 21:35

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

alux · 24/08/2005 21:15

oops correction in order: only 46% of UK mothers are breastfeeding at 6 wks and only 22% at 6 months.

alux · 24/08/2005 20:53

I hope cross posting is not offensive. here goes:

I am sending this off to trading standards:
To whom it may concern:

At the moment, Milupa is currently operating a website which is aimed at breastfeeding mothers. I raise my concerns with Trading Standards for several reasons. My primary reason is that I fear that it contravenes the International Code (1) which bans advertising formula to pregnant women or women with babies under 6 months. However, in my laywoman?s estimation I believe that the following articles of the International are also being breached by Milupa: 4.2 , 5.1, 5.2, 6.4 .

Milupa in my estimation has been very clever in disguising their infomercial website as a place where mums can meet, learn and discuss issues related to motherhood. Undoubtedly, one of the main topics for mums and mum-to-be will be feeding. Milupa has therefore provided a ?breastfeeding helpline? for concerned mums to ring.

Milupa knows fully well that 46% of UK mothers are no longer breastfeeding within six weeks of giving birth and it is down to 22% by six months. (2) They are therefore using this infomercial website to connect with those mothers who when they contact a helpline will be fraught with anxieties and very much accepting to the suggestion of a ?professional?.

It has been the experience of one mum who rang to find that the advisor who claimed to be a midwife vigorously pushed topping up her baby with formula. (3)

From my own experience, when I had a breastfeeding crisis at 3 weeks, I was pushed to top up with formula by my health visitor. I got a second opinion from an NCT counsellor who reassured and advised me on how to progress. Had I rang this helpline for a second opinion, I would have accepted the advice of their ?midwife? advisor instead as I was lonely, desperate, scared and under informed about breastfeeding at that time. Now that I understand how breastfeeding works, I estimate that within days I would have been totally formula feeding, much against my own wishes and abilities. I am currently still exclusively breastfeeding my 18 week only baby. (4)

There is a debate currently raging on Mumsnet.com, one of the UK?s best known motherhood websites, over this infomercial website. I am providing the links to the threads where many other valid concerns are raised which my letter has not touched.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk?topicid=1364&threadid=98457&stamp=050824090936

www.mumsnet.com/Talk?topicid=1364&threadid=101169&stamp=050823231310

www.mumsnet.com/Talk?topicid=1374&threadid=101173&stamp=050824183048

www.mumsnet.com/Talk?topicid=1374&threadid=101327#scaddmsg

footnotes:

(1) www.babymilkaction.org/regs/fullcode.html

(2) www.show.scot.nhs.uk/breastfeed/stats.htm

(3)
By icklelulu on Tuesday, 16 August, 2005 4:53:26 PM
I have just got thru!They didnt mention formula for a few mins and I was thinking 'hmmm wots going on'! THEN 'maybe you should compliment your baby' that was it she kept metioning it after that! I said I was very determined to exculsively breastfeed even if I was finding it hard only using one boob(BTW I used the abscess story, it was true so I couldnt really go wrong). I asked if she was quilified and she used to work as a midwife. Suggested the usual things to try to make my only usable boob comfortable. Lasinoh, leaving milk to dry on the nipple etc She said it wouldnt be the end of the world if I did have to compliment my DS with a formula feed. I must say though I was quite surprised, I thought they would have unqualified persons on the phone and that they would tell me to just give up breastfeeding but saying that once formula was mentioned it kept cropping up ALOT! I thought she might stop mentioning formula as I was emphasising the fact that breast is best and thats wot I intended my DS to have.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk?topicid=1364&threadid=75972#1669173

Nightynight · 24/08/2005 18:56

yes to straightforward information about formula, no to this particular ad.