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University abroad - experience?

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SuzieHomemaker · 03/06/2010 17:51

Hi
Looking for any advice or experience here. My DC is thinking about going to university abroad. It's a long way off at the moment.

Do any of you good people have any advice or experience to offer please?

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jem44 · 15/10/2010 13:07

This is a link to a list of English medium degrees in the Netherlands. There is a push to provide more such degrees over the next few years I understand. One such opened last month in The Hague, but is offered through Leiden University. My Dutch friend's daughter who is doing Law at Leiden is a student mentor to International students to help them settle and learn what they need to about life here. It seems pretty well set up to encourage and support international students who come here.

www.nuffic.nl/

sue52 · 15/10/2010 12:05

Just wanted to give a plug to Trinity Dublin. A well regarded university and a great city.

aquaagua · 14/10/2010 23:26

Have just joined Mumsnet and was looking at post about foreign uni's I know a little about Canadian uni's especially McGill at Montreal, I think where my young cousin is. Very good uni and cheaper than US - her Mum and Dad live in the US.

I have a question - my daughter will be speaking next year at a French uni as a year abroad and she is studying French.
She has a variety of choices including Sorbonne iv, Montpelier, Lyon and Dijon among others. Any advice please

SofaQueen · 06/06/2010 20:37

Just to give another plug for Liberal Arts Colleges - they are smaller and more intimate as they do not have graduate departments. The teaching is (imho) better for undergraduate students as they are done by the professors and not by teaching assistants, which is the case in many universities until the upper level courses. And, as I said in my previous post, top Liberal Arts Colleges are as prestigious as their University counterparts.

SofaQueen · 06/06/2010 20:33

10th grade - 15
11th grade - 16
Undergrad - 18/19-21/22

kolacubes · 06/06/2010 16:13

Thanks for all the information it is fantastic.

Please can you let me know what ages are what
How old are students in
10th grade
11th grade
Undergrad

Thanks

mummytime · 06/06/2010 07:41

Just to add, Williams college is in a lovely rural town in Massachusetts. We've traveled through twice and loved it, great coffee sop/bookshop too

mathanxiety · 06/06/2010 02:47

It's worth noting that Barnard College (for women) is closely affiliated with Columbia University and many courses are jointly taught. It's a very well-regarded women's college in NYC.

SofaQueen · 05/06/2010 21:40

About top class Universities in the US - there are many which aren't called Universities, but Colleges (in other words, only have Undergraduate departments). Don't overlook those, as they too offer top class degrees. US News and World Report also ranks these here.

frakkit · 05/06/2010 08:30

No he wasn't at hotel school! Might have been one of his friends though

SuzieHomemaker · 04/06/2010 16:34

Hi Skihorse
Brilliant information, thank you. We used to live near Rotterdam so DD is currently drawn to the Zuid-Holland province - Leiden also has a big international department. Accomodation will be a problem wherever I think - glad to hear that Dutch students are houseproud, this was something which didnt rub off onto DD!

Interesting insight into Dutch student life, our experience of the Netherlands was of it being a far more sober place (in behaviour rather than beer drinking terms) than Britain. So far DD has not turned into a party animal (though there is still time!).

We are keen to encourage DD in this venture if it is what she wants to do. Where we live now is very parochial - go to the local school, then local college then get a job locally. She is keen to move away and stretch her wings.

I do remember from student days that fellow students undertaking part of their study abroad came back a lot more mature than those of us who stayed in the UK.

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skihorse · 04/06/2010 15:00

frakkit As long as he wasn't at the hotel school between 2001 and 2002 in the flat over mine I forgive him!

mathanxiety · 04/06/2010 14:35

Here's the US News and World Report ranking for US universities for 2009. Here's another page where you can navigate to rankings in particular categories. Rankings are not the last word, though, just a general guideline.

frakkit · 04/06/2010 13:47

Maastricht not Waterloo that is.

frakkit · 04/06/2010 13:46

Skihorse - that's where DH went!

JGBMum · 04/06/2010 08:50

Thank you, will check out thier website.

skihorse · 04/06/2010 08:41

University of Waterloo for engineering in canada.

JGBMum · 04/06/2010 08:39

DOes anyone have any experience or information on the Canadian University system? DS is looking at Engineering degrees.

Many thanks.

StewieGriffinsMom · 04/06/2010 08:34

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kolacubes · 04/06/2010 08:07

To find what's a good university or not in the US, is there a league table or similar?

I presume Ivy League is equivalent to Oxbridge, so what's the level below that. i.e. still respectable university, but not the creme de la creme.

Is it worth contacting the industries that she wants to go into and seeing what universities they suggest?

skihorse · 04/06/2010 06:53

If only I'd known at 17 that I could apply to EU unis... would've been fun. Ah well, in my next lifetime!

Well I'm living in the south of NL and have had a few friends attend UoM (Maastricht) which has a fairly large international programme including a handful of degrees tutored in English only - although I see that your son is vloeiend!

A friend of mine enrolled in their political science undergrad course and said there was a lot of tutorial based work, what she meant was rather than having lots and lots of lectures which could be skived off - she was actually required to be on campus, in class, debating and discussing ideas for an enormous amount of hours. She felt that this way of teaching was very hard going but that she was learning at a far accelerated pace than earlier courses she'd taken in the US. She did complain of feeling over-worked though!

Dutch student life seems fairly raucous but not out of control. I used to have a ground floor flat with students above. Tbh, they had their big night out on a Thursday night and for the rest of the time were really nice. Don't forget - the Dutch love a good bit of house cleaning so their digs are good and clean! A large proportion of students go home for weekends so there's not the whole getting shitfaced every weekend thing going on. Compared to what I've seen of British students (and remember from uni) the academic side is taken much more seriously and there's a whole lot less slobbing around like The Young Ones!

UoM doesn't appear to make any special arrangements wrt finding overseas students digs - or perhaps that was the story that a girl from Belgium gave her mum as I put her up for a few nights until she found accommodation. Accommodation is not particularly cheap, although I'd dare say cheaper than the UK! A student here would expect to pay a minimum of 230 euros a month for a pretty crappy bedsit and 550 for a nice studio (incl. bills).

Rag week looks pretty fun and I love the academic start of year parades. All freshers parade through town on floats and everyone comes out to watch - it's really nice actually. Bless their little teenage hearts!

If there's any more info I could give you please don't hesitate to ask.

mathanxiety · 04/06/2010 06:10

This Times article is spot on wrt the American university application process. It also details tests that must be done and outlines the financial aid situation.

All the necessary tests include maths at a high level, so if a UK student is not taking maths for A levels, he or she would need to somehow do a course up to pre cal level at least. In general, west coast universities require the SAT, while the ACT is more an eastern thing. Some universities require both. You would need to check with each individual university before signing up for the testing.

There's a fee for each application, ranging from $50 to $100 iirc. There's also a fee for each test, and each retake, and additional fees for sending the test results to each university you're applying to (under $20 each for this particular one).

The curriculum is extremely broad at undergrad level in the US, from what I'm familiar with anyhow -- again, maths is required for all in freshman year at minimum, plus a science, language, humanities subject, English. Some universities have core curricula that are very broad, even for those pursuing an engineering degree. Generally, you don't have to declare a major until perhaps your third (junior) year. As Mummytime says, there are vast differences among US universities. Thorough research is vital.

You don't get to specialise in something like forensic science until grad level, or maybe your final year, depending on the university. The best route to a career in forensic science is a bachelors degree in chemistry or biology (or major in chem and minor in bio) followed by postgrad specialisation.

frakkit · 04/06/2010 05:49

I concur SATs are easily sat in the UK and friends who went (and I'm very jealous of some of them!) said the first year was decidedly different because it was more similar to school in the amount of subjects studied than the narrowness of a UK degree. They also thought it was really good prep in what was expected later on and that campus life was fab. Then there's Greek life to consider as well if that appeals!

mummytime · 04/06/2010 05:03

From my experience it is fairly easy to get a student visa for the US. If you are good enough it is possible to get some kind of student support, and the US is used to students working their way through university. However at least to start with if you are on a student visa you can only get on campus jobs.

I would contact possible universities now to get more information. However there are vast differences between universities (do not necessarily be put off by fees, as the ones with the higher fees tend to have higher student support, if they really want you). American friends of mine for example had part time jobs with a leading chemical company during their degree but the same company wouldn't recruit them afterwards as they were at the "wrong" university.
You may need to sit SATs before getting a place, though this can be sat at various places in the UK.

I'm biased towards US unis because of the breadth of the curriculum and that the best are world class.

However if my kids wanted to study languages I might ask them to consider studying in the appropriate country overseas.

kolacubes · 03/06/2010 22:02

How easy is it to get into a university in America from the UK, with no sponsor or family in the US?

Is there any difficulties with visa?

My dd in a few years wants to do Aeronautical Engineering, and wondered if that was accessible in US from UK.