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Science should not be enjoyable

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cococake · 18/03/2010 18:59

Or so says my dd's science teacher tonight!

It was parents evening tonight and my dd's science teacher and form teacher are one and the same.

She is in yr 8. The teacher said all other teachers were very pleased with her, but he wanted to know why her last two science test results were so poor, when she was one of the most able in the class.

He said 'I can't understand what's gone wrong, so can't help fix it.'

So I said to dd 'What's the reason?'

She said 'The topics were boring.'

Teacher said 'That's not an excuse.'

I said 'No that's not an excuse that's her reason, how can we make the topic more enjoyable for you, do you need to write bullet points for revision, draw diagrams, how would you like to revise this.

The teacher said 'She's yr 8, science is not meant to be enjoyable, she just has to accept that she has to learn it.

He then finished the meeting by saying 'I can't understand why the test results were poor, so I can't do anything about it'.

Please any teachers or other parents, explain the other perspective, as I came out with my dd saying is this going to get worse. I said if education was meant to be unenjoyable no one would stay in FE. We'll make it enjoyable for you, and try new study techniques.

BTW she wants to do science at University, so certainly don't want her thinking it's meant to be unenjoyable.

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GrimmaTheNome · 18/03/2010 19:41

TBH apart from the bulls eye those ideas sound more like 8yr old than yr 8 ... but there must be cool stuff online somewhere for teens.

Coco, any idea what the 'boring' topics were?

cococake · 18/03/2010 19:40

Cross posts butadream hope illustrated dd's realised she can't not get the marks.

Not considered doing science outside before, as before tonight didn't know there was a problem. Funny enough dd declined not to tell me about these two tests!! Unlike all other tests that she let me knows when they are, and what she got for the marks. She obviously knew these 2 wouldn't be good. BTW she has tests have 2 weeks. So it's only the last month that the score has been down.

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stillenacht · 18/03/2010 19:39

I agree it shouldn't be fun - school is far too much about entertaining them and when it actually comes to work its a shock to them.

Ok maybe thats a bit full on but I think there is some truth to that.

littleducks · 18/03/2010 19:36

what were the topics?

cococake · 18/03/2010 19:36

I'm glad you gave me the other perspective there BadGardener. I have talked with it to her and she has set her target to 'engage myself in all work, and ensure I keep my own enthusasim going through slow bits, by writing bullet points, drawing diagrams, illustrating my notes if appropriate'.

I think therefore she's taken on board her side, but I do still think that science should not meant to be enjoyable. And maybe your right on what the teacher meant.

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butadream · 18/03/2010 19:33

Can't you do some cool stuff at home?

I like the Mentos Coke experiment - see here

and chromatography with a coffee filter here

and dissecting a bull's eye (don't think they let you do this at school any more after BSE)

There may be some good children's lectures locally, worth looking for.

You do still need to tell DD if she wants to do science at uni she needs to pull her finger out, too.

BadGardener · 18/03/2010 19:28

I think your dd's attitude is rather poor actually! If she wants to do science at university she will have to accept that some of it is less fun than other stuff and she needs to put in the work whether it is boring or not.
Having said that, I think the teacher handled it badly - it would have made more sense for him to say 'You have to work at the boring stuff in order to get to the fun stuff' rather than 'it's not meant to be enjoyable' (by which I assume he basically just meant 'science is what it is, there are fun bits and boring bits').

cococake · 18/03/2010 19:20

Definitely wish we had Brian Cox.

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cococake · 18/03/2010 19:18

MaureenMLove - unfortunately he is her form teacher and science teacher (not sure which discipline of science he will be when they separate next year) for the full 5 yrs of secondary school.

There is a personality clash, but before now her love of the subject has driven her through, which is why I think it's just a case of learning a different way.

Bloss fully agree with your reasoning hence why I thought different techniques would make it interesting. I coloured my periodic table lots of pretty colours to make me remember it for example.

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sarah293 · 18/03/2010 19:12

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GrimmaTheNome · 18/03/2010 19:11

I blame the HSE. Dad was a chemistry teacher and he mourned the gradual whittling away of his ability to make science entertaining (usually explosively).

Mind you, I have some sympathy with the teacher - sciences can be hugely enjoyable but they are also serious disciplines. The two are not mutually exclusive. The best enjoyment of science lies in the 'aha' moments of understanding, which may come after painstaking work. There does sometimes seem to be too much creep towards having to make education entertaining.

MaureenMLove · 18/03/2010 19:09

Sounds like her results were poor because she doesn't much like the teacher! DD had fabulous results in Maths in Yr7, great teacher. Yr8, went down - clash of personalities we'll call it! Yr9 bounced right back up again!

TBH, I wouldn't worry too much. Wait until next year and see what happens then. Pound to a penny, if she gets a different teacher, she'll be right back up there.

englishpatient · 18/03/2010 19:07

My daughter's in yr 8 too. She does the three sciences separately at her school and really enjoys them all - they are certainly not boring; they do lots of practical experiments. The teachers are very enthusiastic.

I think your daughter's teacher is disgraceful! Is there a head of science you can complain to - or to the school head? I would not stand for this, especially if she wants to do science at uni.

paisleyleaf · 18/03/2010 19:03

I wish all science teachers were like Brian Cox
It'd do wonders for the take up and enthusiasm for it.

PfftTheMagicDragon · 18/03/2010 19:00

I mean the teacher btw

PfftTheMagicDragon · 18/03/2010 19:00

Thats't the spirit!