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What is your schools policy on prevention of forced arranged marriage of students?

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JoeyF · 31/08/2009 19:13

What is your school's policy on the protection of teenage girls (and boys) from forced arranged marriage, spotting danger signs and stopping these from occuring abroad or in the uk.... bearing in mind we are talking 1000s of victms a year forced by parents into what is effectively sex slave trafficing little different to that done by east european groups forcing teenage girls into prositition away from thir country.

Where threats of violence, honour killing, ostracistion, taking victems abroad under the guise of holidays then taking their passport in remote areaa ar common place.

And what is the policy of aiding rescue of any student beleived to have been 'disappeared' in one of these situation?

Bearing in mind culture, tradition, relgion cannot ever be respected if it is supporting rape and abuse...

This can be done to girls as young as 12 in particular regarding pakistan, Bangladesh, Afganistan

This is not being racist either as you are not born with any culture, relgion or tradtion its something you choose just like choosing to be a hippy, goth, football fan, or surfer as opposed to a member of the KKK national front, football thug, gang member etc.

Likewise a policy on supporting a students right to date and form relationships regardless of their brother or parents wishes.

Also any policy on what to do if a tacher suspects a girl may be indanger of female circumcsion/female genital mutilation?

Look it up FGM

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JoeyF · 31/08/2009 23:03

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If you are going to try to change the forced marriage thing, please make the essential separation between schools / education and religion.

Easy

School are told to look for signs of abuse in kids and to report it.

Whats the difference?

This is what gets me with loon tune notions that anyone trying to stop rape, killing and abuse is a racist or nutter.

Race, culture and religion and tradtion shuold be irrelavant...

Rape is rape

Slavoury is slavoury

Rape slavoury is rape slavoury

Its still hurts and trumatises no matter what race, religion, culture, tradtion you are

It still ruins lives

And the real nut jobs here are the ones trying to make out that anyone highlighint or condemning this is a racist.

tell you whats very similar to your arguments and the likes of Foxy.

Its the term 'Diplomatic immunity'

Using these words you can littlerly rape a 2 year old in the high street infront of everyone in broad daylight

Saying diplomatic imunity you cant touch me.

Now it seems you dont need diplomatic immunity you just shout that anyone trying to stop you is racist or a nutter and you can do what you like to anyone you like as long as you say its part of your

pick one

culture, relgion, tradtion or race

And then if the police try and save the 2 year old idiots like the posters having a go at me would have the 2 year olds rescuers labeled nutty racists and say go on mr rapists continue your

cultural/relgious/tradtional activity we wont let anyone stop you.

As thats whats happening here.

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foxytocin · 31/08/2009 22:59

so did you leave the anti nazi league or did they throw you out.

StretchFucksTheMailDaily · 31/08/2009 22:57

Hahahaha, fuck off twat.

'Agree with my rambling insane posts, or you too, could be a child abuser'

Mamazon · 31/08/2009 22:56

what does it matter to you what my dc's school policy on this is?

and how exactly do you expect any school to have a policy? what do you want their policvy to be?

you really are just a twatbag and you know full well your not going to get the support for your barking mad rantings on here so why do you continue to post?

ruddynorah · 31/08/2009 22:56
onefunkymama · 31/08/2009 22:55

BTW who on earth are you to suppose that you know what I think?

pasturesnew · 31/08/2009 22:55

Sorry can't be bothered to read double-spaced poorly punctuated posts but to reassure any mnetters wondering if their children's schools have a policy on forced marriage:

I am a school governor (state primary school) and when the latest guidance on forced marriages came out it was distributed through the LEA and brought to the attention of the governors by the latest LEA report and the clerk to the governing body, we reviewed the recommendations and voted to incorporate them into the school's child protection policy.

JoeyF · 31/08/2009 22:54

interviews from child victems of forced arranged marriages where often the only way out is attemtped suicide usually by burning or the girls try and disfigure themselves so no longer wanted sexually

Maybe cat, stretch and foxy should be investigated for their support of such abuse of children

news report on forced child brides

fast forward to 40 seconds

This is the kind of child abuse the likes of cat, stretch and foxy support dode to 11,12,15 year olds and they then try and hide this by saying anyone who wants to stop this is a racist member of the BNP or combat 18.

Clearly stupid as what would a Combat 18 or BNP member care about foreigners being killing or abused... they support abuse on non whites much like posters

cat, stretch and foxy

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onefunkymama · 31/08/2009 22:52

You still sound like a ranting nutter to me but I want to add something because it is ranting like this that has caused problems in a whole other area to what you might expect.

This issue is nothing to do with schools and should be treated separately from schools because the attempts that the government are making to uncover these issues are having wide reaching and damaging repercussions for other children.

As you, an expert, will know Graham Badman was asked to write a report on Elective Home Education, one of the reasons given why this report was commissioned was cited as being preventing forced marriage.

Now, don't get me wrong, I don't in any way support rape/forced marriage/abuse or anything like this. But the goverment has accepted, lock stock and barrel Badman's suggestions on monitoring Home Education in a (probably useless) attempt to stop child abuse.

This report gives a right of access to the family home, the right to interview children without their educators (ie their parents) being present, and asks for documentary evidence of the child's education. Of course the latter might seem like a great idea until you learn of the many children who are taught using the (very successful)autonomous style of education. This, for some children is the only way to stop them being suicidal and for others is much less stressful than a school type education.

The evidence required in the Badman report would simply destroy this gentle, effective and widely recognised outside the UK form of education. These reccomendations apply to all children who are home ed, no matter what their race or background. Many children will suffer as a result.

It is the religion which is a problem and by placing teachers in the role of societies protection officers a whole heap of other people will suffer. To me, the damage to my children's education will be totally unnecessary, unacceptable and wrong, I am a white, british, normal non religious Mum, but I have been caught in the cross fire of this. If you are going to try to change the forced marriage thing, please make the essential separation between schools / education and religion.

I understand your concerns about the girls in forced marriages. I am suspcious as to what you think you will achieve by posting on the Mumsnet wesbite?

JoeyF · 31/08/2009 22:44

By onefunkymama Mon 31-Aug-09 22:26:08 Add a message | Report post | Contact poster

You sound like a ranting nutter to me.

oh really?

Who is the true nutter?

People like you who are pro acts like this

news footage

fast forward to 11.50 you will need real player

or people like me trying to stop it.

Simple question mate

which side are you on... see the news reports and then reply only when you have seen them all th way through

Then you might have some idea what you are on about

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JoeyF · 31/08/2009 22:37

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onefunkymama · 31/08/2009 22:26

You sound like a ranting nutter to me.

StewieGriffinsMom · 31/08/2009 22:15

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catinthehat2 · 31/08/2009 22:12

I think he likes to get a big crowd of ladies round him before he shows everyone his erect penis.

Leaving now before he gets overexcited again.

StretchFucksTheMailDaily · 31/08/2009 22:06

Oh, look, the quotes have started. Informer2 piss off.

EccentricaGallumbits · 31/08/2009 22:00

got bored and glazed over after first couple of sentences.

I much prefer a barney about the use of follow on milks.

foxytocin · 31/08/2009 21:58

sigh. he is getting tedious now. don't we get interesting trolls anymore?

Feenie · 31/08/2009 21:56
Hmm
JoeyF · 31/08/2009 21:55

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I don't suppose you've ever come across the idea that the way to win hearts and minds is not to attack people who quesion/disagree with you?

Actually thinking more of blowing the credibility of their beleif systems out of the water with logic and facts.

And as for Manatee

Who is the loon... you the onne supporting the rape of teenage girls or me the one trying to stop it.

Plus if a loon surely you can take apart the arguments rather than attack the poster?

As surely loon statements and logic are easy to counter argue.

For example a 'loon' would say smoking a joint is harmless but cigarettes will give you cancer.

An intelligent poster unlike you Manante would no call the pro slpif poster simply a loon.

Somone with an education would look at the statement logically and apply the facts.

and say something like

Mr Spliffy whats in a cigarette? paper, tabacco and a filter

Whats in a joint? paper tabacco a little cannibis/hash and the filter is replaced by a bit of card.

You also inhale a spliff deeper therefore the fact is that smoking a joint means you inhale more tabbacco therefore run a higher risk of cancer.

Thus blowing Mr Splifs argument out of the window in a way they cant answer back as the facts speak for themselves.

So who here is right?

The one with the knowledge here? or the one doing the childish name calling like a little baby?

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foxytocin · 31/08/2009 21:50

are you a paid up member of the BNP?
combat 18?

MANATEEequineOHARA · 31/08/2009 21:46

Hmmm, posting style very much like the wierd Informer2! Loon!

justabouteatingchocolate · 31/08/2009 21:39

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JoeyF · 31/08/2009 21:37

Lets see ...

Half the posters here appear to have some intelligence... stick to and discuss subject in hand.

The other half clearly lacking the intelligence to actually deal with the topic resort to character attacking and some down right stupid statements if you think about it logically.

Firstly the accusation mentioning issues like honour killing, relgion, forced arranged marriage etc makes you racist.

Clearly this is stupidity of the first order as

A) Discussing and encouraging open debate on these issues actually helps people in other races, cultures and relgions who may be victems here. Ie Im pretty sure a girl trapped in a forced arranged marriage is quite happy for anyone of any race to open the debate on the issue thats getting her raped in order someone come down and rescue her

B) Iheartdusty...

Clearly not engaging their brain, clearly having failed basic biology lesson on genetics

Now unlike you I will explain my reasoning on calling you dumb.

Relgion, tradition , culture, and beleifs are NOT race.

The notion of racisim is judging somone from what they cannot help of choose.

Ie Without some serious surgery you can help being male or female.

You cant help being gay, stright or Bi its your gentics

and unless you're Michael Jackson you cant change the colour of your skin

You sex, pigmentation and sexuality is your 'race'

Relgion, beleifs, tradtion, and culture are CHOICES

If your mum and dad were oriental, black, white, cat or dog

You will be the same.

But you can chose if you follow and support the beleifs of your parents

For example someone who had WW2 nazi parents does not have to support Hitler, they can join the resistance and help jews.

Likewise you dont have to follow your KKK parents

or stick to christianity, islam, buddisim, cannibalisim, human sacrifice aztecisim

Infact you can be muslim on tuesday, change to being a jew on thusday, christainity on Sunday, spen a month being a Jedi following the teachings of Yoda then become an atheist isf you should chose.

This means if a belief system carries out criminal, abusive, unfair or down right psychotic actions you dont have to stick with it therefore its a choice and therefore you are responsible for your decisions to support a particular relgion.

Just like I who as it happens is not white for your information does not have to be a binge drinking, junk food quaffing chav who gets teenage girls pregant withtou supporting them then runs amock in a Spanish holiday resport like a typical Brit.

Thus criticising absolutely horrendous human rights abusive mainly agaisnt the female race with the intention of stopping it does NOT MAKE YOU A RACIST however saying anyone who condemns abuse of women and children is a racist does make you a bleeding imbecile

And that does double for the air brained dimwit who thinks highlighting the abuse of women to try and cut down on the number of teenage girls being condemn to a life of being raped or worse... you know sexaully assulted by real perverts makes you a perve

I take it foxy (funny thought foxes were supposed to be smart)

If you think Im a perve for bringing up the issue of forced arranged marriage and honour killing you clearly think all child protection officers, rape councellors, and anyone working on a specialist antui rape police unit is also a perve as they have the same intention of preventing rapes.

DUH !!!!!!!

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I'm wondering why 'right to date' is being lumped in with rape and FGM etc?
And maybe you need to divorce culture from Islam?

Simple... you will find that its those brothers and fathers who won't let their daughters and sister date who they choose as long as said choice is not some junkie thug who has got several other girls pregnant and not helped out at all but thought it fun to go on the jeremy Kyle show to boast.

Who want their daughter or sister under their control so they can have her raped in an arranged marriage as they dont want their 'product used' boefore its sold.

And there is no different between islam, its assocaited culture and its abusive and perverted law system.

Take a typical islamic country.

The law is islamic law, the rules on its culture are islamic the whole system is islam thats what islam is.

Islam is not a relgion you attend to on one get to gether day

Wherever it gains influence and power it imposes a dictitoral legal and judicatial system of imposed culture called sharia.

Where you get the relgious police arresting young couples under islamic law to be tried underislamic law and put to death under islamic law so clearly the culture and relgion are one.

oh and no not a journalist... and yes axer to grind...

quote a good one...

Said axe is to stop perverted child abuse and rape.

Not something a 'perve' would want as a 'perve' would support these things whihc then indicates certain posts who are going against me on this and clearly support such acts as honour killing and forced arranged marriage are the true pervs and dangers to women and children.

Now Try arguing with the logic in that as opposed to attacking the poster or crying to any moderator.

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deaddei · 31/08/2009 21:22

Yes my thoughts too Feenie.

Feenie · 31/08/2009 20:55

JoeyF is definitely Informer2. I presume the former was banned.