teachers swearing at class!

Oh, I see that she is. I still think it would be worth a meeting with the SENCO to see if school could offer her some provision at breaks. IMO if they knew that your DD was spending her breaks facing a wall as it was the only place that she felt safe, someone should have intervened, whether it was the SENCO or her head of year. We're also just starting the assessment process with our DD - best of luck to you with it .

I've come late to this. I was really horrified at shinyshoes post about a teacher calling students "faggots" and would certainly be complaining about that. Secondary school is an isolating enough experience for children who feel different without the adults employed to educate them inferring that insults like "faggot" are acceptable!

The swearing is unacceptable for the very reason you find it so - it is upsetting to many people. I'm a secondary teacher and would not swear, though I accept that stress can get the better of all of us at times. Your course of action sounds reasonable.

I was also posting as a mum with a DD who sounds very similar to yours. I sympathise with the idea she tells off other children - mine has always been the same. She's going to secondary school this year and I'm dreading the bullying really starting up. I am surprised that no provisions have been made to help your DD at break times. I would be asking the Special Needs Co-ordinator at the school if anything could be done to make them an easier time for your DD, and see if they can offer her an alternative to spending all of her time in the library. Does she get any support with her social interaction?

I would also consider it unacceptable and think you should complain to the head (assuming they are not suspended aswell!).

I understand teachers are humans too and have bad days like the rest of us and they mostly do a terrific job. However I manage not to swear in front of my children, they learn by example after all, so I think teachers should not swear in front of them either.

BTW bloody hell is swearing in our house, as is you are pissing me off........

teachers are professionals.

and whilst bloody hell mightn't be swearing, i would expect them to act professionally.

ofcourse 'you are pissing me off' is not acceptable.

IMO, if a teacher canot cope, they should recieve further training or find another profession

if i couldn't cope at my job, as a professional, i would ask for further training - or iw ould look for another place of work.

I feel that children will be exposed to bad language eventually, so haven't been too upset about occasional bad language from staff. But, one teacher called the class cretins which I really didn't like (same teacher also called ds an egghead - I feel he can't have it both ways & shouldn't have it either). My point here is that non swear words can be equally or more offensive than swearing sometimes.

In the OPs case though, & with the SN issue I think a quiet word with the school wouldn't be amiss.

Good, I'm glad she is getting help. I think that the fact that she is in exile in the library so she doesn't mix with her peers is a far more worrying problem than a teacher swearing. I really hope that things improve soon.

It was a piano keyboard too (not a computer one)

But yes I agree there is a difference. He had a reputation for falling over or bumping into everything. The kids used to laugh at him all the time like the time he walked into a proper piano.

Oh, sorry I just read your more recent post. I would draw the line at the F word. To me bloody hell is really not awful, pissing me off is not good, and the F word is unacceptable.

And the Head of year is suspended? B*y H*l! Go to the head.

I don't think the language as such would bother me (but then I swear frequently in front of my children and do not see swearing as a dreadful thing) but it would bother me that the teacher was not in control of a) the class and b) his/her emotions.

You say "strict beliefs" - are these religious or self-imposed? If she only has mild SEN it seems a shame that she is excluding herself so severely. Is she having help for this?

My dh once said the f word in front of a class of kids when he dropped a keyboard on his foot.

Luckily no-one complained.

Crikey shinyshoes, I'd be writing a formal complaint about homophobic language after that comment.

I worked in FE and with some of the more deliqinent challenging classes, language that bordered on the fruity chould be quite effective, but even then it was always kept just on the right side of acceptable.

Ah yes the second teacher - depends what the "etc" was - 'bloody hell' isn't really swearing IMO.

I'm a teacher and this sounds to me as though the teacher in question had lost control of the class and his/her temper. You should have a word with Head of Year or similar. Totally out of order IMO.

The OP says it happened again yesterday with another teacher too though.

sodor, if she is, I imagine most of the responses would be along the lines of "oh dear, we all lose our tempers sometimes but you really can't swear at the children - you will have to apologise and face up to it, but it's unlikely you'll lose your job"

that would be a fair response IMO

I don't think the swearing is that bad in secondary - she must hear all sorts in the playground? but the teacher needs to know that she is sensitive to bad language. I'd have a word with the teacher and explain that first. If she apologises then leave it. If she's defensive and arsey then have a word with the head.

The teacher is probably posting for advice on the Times Ed forums now saying After an awful day I finally lost it with my Year x's and swore at them.

What do I do, am I going to be disciplined?

I could have wrote that OP except I know it's not the same school as my DS goes to a single sex school.

They other day he said 'this class is hard to teach as it's full of faggotts and idiots' .

Not quite sure what to do. I've been in school and said words like criey. I think 'pissing me off' is a bit much though, perhaps bring it up with the headteacher a quiet word if you like.

I would be furious and I'd complain in writing and expect a reply. I would want the teacher spoken to.

It is not acceptable behaviour from one teacher let alone two!

you could write....

you would be justified in making a complaint, but if it were me, i would try and speak to the head or deputy to try to sort it out in a "can you have a word" type way instead of a formal complaint iykwim?

tbh, it depends..to me, if the teachers are usually good, and your dd enjoys their lessons, i wouldn't bother, and i would give them a bit of slack on this one occasion.

as you know though, swearing is part of everyday language, and maybe you can try and talk to your dd about how some people use bad words, and what she doesn't like about swearing..maybe she accociates it with anger and fear...something that hopefully can be worked on to help her with everyday life.

hope your dd recovers!