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Am I thinking too deeply about this, or do I have a good point?

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MaureenMLove · 28/02/2009 15:18

I am a cover supervisor. A teacher has left and he has two classes that need covering each day. Both are English Yr8's and both are very very heavy on the SEN front, either mentally, socially or behaviour wise. They are very difficult children, but I seem to have struck up an understanding with them, so since I am in charge of organising cover each day, I have opted to cover these classes myself.

Due to circumstances beyond the schools control (i.e. end of financial year and no money!) I cannot hire a supply teacher, so I will be taking these classes up until Easter.

Anyway, I spoke to HOF yesterday and she is sending me all the cover work for the next five weeks. They were going to be reading a novel, doing a bit of creative writing off the back of it and finishing with a book review and a poster for the wall.

I have just received an e-mail from her, saying there has been a change of plan and they are now going to write their autobiographies! She even says, 'starting with what their childhood was like'

Some of these children are majorly f'ed up because of their childood. I'm not sure I want the responsibilty of the potential fall out to this! Their max TMG's for this year are mostly 3 with one or two 4's. Should I suggest this topic is not such a good idea or shut up and do as I'm told?

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janeite · 28/02/2009 16:40

I used that Bill Bryson bit last time I taught autobiography too! AND the "Cider With Rosie" extract! Roald Dahl's "Boy" usually features in there somewhere too, often the mouse in the sweet jar scene. If it's for older children I have an astonishingly moving piece written by a man whose baby died too - don't use it very often as it is so heavy.

badgermonkey · 28/02/2009 16:37

We do autobiography with year 7 and we do a text-based approach - for example, I might read them the bit from Cider With Rosie about his first day at school, pick out the techniques he has used to make this effective and then ask them to write about their first day at schol using their techniques. I ALWAYS give kids an out for any particular piece - so their 'first day at school' piece could be the first day at infants, juniors or secondary school. I ask them to write about a memorable event - but this can be happy or sad as they wish (it is surprising how many of them quite like to write about something sad and do so in a moving way). I get them to tell me funny anecdotes from their lives, and it really is a chance for them to write about good moments from their lives, rather than reliving traumatic events.

I have a funny bit from Bill Bryson's "Life and Times of the Thunderbolt Kid" about him getting his first job as a paperboy that always goes down well, too. They love to listen to this read aloud. (There is a swearword in it that I have to remember to cut out though!) And I tell them stories from my childhood - they like to listen to these. I show them some photos of me as a child too!

janeite · 28/02/2009 16:07

Or you could do the autobiography stuff through texts eg: read a text extract about the first day at school, they write about their own / read a text extract about going on a journey, they write their own etc. It takes some of the focus off them then iykwim.

janeite · 28/02/2009 16:04

I see your point but I'd be wary of approaching it as if it seems that you know better than the HOD (not suggesting you would but she may think that!).

Instead, you could maybe take the line that, as you're not an English teacher, it would be easier for you to be able to follow shorter term, more teacher-led tasks: ie: reading a "chapter" novel; doing shorter bits of creative writing inspired by it - diary entries, rewriting the final chapter, whatever; a book review - and that you feel less confident with such a broad topic, that will be less easy for you to "chunk" into small, manageable sections for you and them.

bigTillyMint · 28/02/2009 16:03

Maureen, why aren't you a teacher - you sound perfect for the job?

MaureenMLove · 28/02/2009 16:00

You are absolutely right, a top set would get another teacher quick smart.

Unfortunately, I have seen a pattern in the teachers that leave or are off sick a lot. (I take all the calls and as I said, I'm in charge of cover!) Teachers that have top sets and generally good students are only too happy to push on with a sniffle, but the others go off at the drop of a hat! I know this probably isn't the same in all schools, I would never dream of suggesting it is, I see every day how hard teaching is, but it certainly happens at my school. This may have a lot to do with why we have just come out of special measures!

I'll tell my boss on Monday what I propose, no point in asking him, he'll leave it up to me anyway!

I'd love to be able to turn the whole autobiography thing around and have plenty of ideas to do it, but it's not my job. If I start doing it now, I'll end up with this lot for ever, as cheap labour. I would do it, regardless of how much I get paid, but it's just not right.

I know these kids and they would much rather listen to a story and write about it together. They will sit quietly (sucking their thumbs, some of them) and it'll be lovely. They will learn from it, but it has to be interactively. I know we could get some great artwork and wall decoration from it.

The school is letting them down and I don't want that for them.

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purepurple · 28/02/2009 15:50

I can see where you are coming from and i think you are quite right to be worried.
I still remember doing this at school and my friend not wanting me to read her work as she was so upset by her childhood, but wrote it all down for the teacher because that's what she had been told to do!
I would have hoped that education would have moved on in 25 years

How about giving them a title like " The funniest thing that ever happened to me"
or "My favourite childhood memory"
or "My first day at school"
or "My best friend"
or give them a list of 3 or 4 and let them choose their own?

bigTillyMint · 28/02/2009 15:46

Well done for realising this is going to be a difficult topic for them.

Would the SENCO be supportive if you talked to him/her?

Itchyscratchy has some good ideas if you can't change topic.

I have to say that I am that the school isn't hiring a supply teacher - bet they wouldn't dream of doing that to the top sets.

MaureenMLove · 28/02/2009 15:45

There is that idea, thankyou. The only trouble is, I'm only a Cover Supervisor and it's not my job to decide an plan what we do - just deliver it.

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MaureenMLove · 28/02/2009 15:41

Hmm, I think so too. For a lovely top set Yr8 group it would be great. DD is yr 8 at another school and she would write a great essay, but these kids just aren't up to it. I'm not sure the HOF even knows these students tbh. You need to treat and teach like they are Yr4 - at the very most!

One student I know, had/has a really, really bad time at home, it'll end in disaster.

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itchyandscratchy · 28/02/2009 15:39

Weellllll... I guess it's not the easiest of topics for some kids, but I don't think you'll get anywhere trying to change the topic they're sposed to do. The remit is a bit too wide, I agree but there are ways round this, I think.

Given that it's a topic that many if not all kids are given at some point in their schooling, I think they should do it, but you have a chance here to do some things with the topic that doesn't necessarily mean it will be too traumatic.

I used to be hyper-sensitive about doing family trees with pupils, but I don't think there would be many if at all that wouldn't have extended family, step-parents, half-siblings, etc. so if you expect this, you can build it in to how the trees should look. IME, they like this activity.

Then you could maybe think of different approaches to autobiographical writing that doesn't necessarily delve into potentially traumatic situations: "my favourite day out or holiday" or lists of favourites things; and even "spectacular accidents" has also gone down well (falling out of trees; treading on nails, etc. )

TheProvincialLady · 28/02/2009 15:35

I mean you should suggest the topic is not a good idea, obv!

TheProvincialLady · 28/02/2009 15:34

Yes I think you should. Apart from anything else it is rather intrusive. Would the HOF like to write her autobiography for inspection?