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Swimming does my daughter have to do it?

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formidablelady · 01/10/2008 20:13

My daughter is in year 9 and the high school she is at has a pool. She has recently got soft contact lenses and much more aware of her appearance. She refuses to wear her glasses and it takes her a while to put them back in. She only has 15 minutes to change after the lesson. She also has shoulder length curly hair which she styles into ringlets with gel. After she comes out of swimming when it dries it goes into a frizzy ball and looks dreadful (like she has been electrocuted!). I have written to school to say that we don't want her to do swimming. We are happy for her to do any other sport. The teacher has said that she feels she should do it. I know swimming is not compulsory after keystage 2. Does anyone know where we stand with this. Can I refuse and ask for another option. There are no medical grounds. But there are self esteem issues and name calling.

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JuneBugJen · 01/10/2008 21:31

Sympathise with your dd as I hated the whole games thing quite often. But, what doesnt kill you makes you stronger!
Does she really need to be excused from this? I had hideous asthma but still batteled on at games in a vile skirt and aertex that didnt get washed from one term to the next. I am scared to say it but perhaps its a bit character forming having to do things you are not keen on.

cory · 01/10/2008 21:29

Dd tells me hair gel is banned at her secondary. Makes sense in context of chemistry lessons etc.

Zazette · 01/10/2008 21:28

to be fair, WouldYouCouldYouWithAGoat suggested the swimcap, and she deserves the thanks not me - I just wondered why you were ignoring her! but actually, I do use one on my own mop of wild wiry curls (I swim on my way to work most days) and it is absolutely fine. I am perhaps less preoccupied with other people's opinions of my swimcap than you and your dd seem to be though.

also agree with Brangelina re the lenses - I got contacts specifically so I could go snorkelling and diving, with goggles there's no problem.

if she just hates swimming that's fair enough, of course, but these are flimsy reasons to object to it

cory · 01/10/2008 21:28

It's a brilliant life lesson to teach a young girl, isn't it? That her Mum thinks preserving her appearance should come before doing activities. And then they wonder why women are still not equal with men

A girl I knew failed her last year at school because she was late every morning due to needing to spend so long in front of the mirror. Her Mum seemed to think it was reasonable . She has since pulled herself up by her bootstraps but it's been hard work.

formidablelady · 01/10/2008 21:28

I really am surprised at some of your reactions. To those who made helpful suggestions many thanks. I still don't want her to do it so if anyone has any experience or suggestions regarding procedures I would be most grateful.

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muggglewump · 01/10/2008 21:27

I can sympathise with your DD as I would have been the same at her age had my school had a pool, in fact I hated PE as I was crap at it and also worried I'd break a nail
However, my Mum told me tough shit I had to do it and that was that, it was a good life lesson, we have to do things we don't want to, that's the way it is.

If DD is the same as me, I will sympathise with her but there will be no notes or asking if she can sit it out, she'll learn the same lesson that I did, I'll jsut be a bit nicer about it than what my Mum was.

SqueakyPop · 01/10/2008 21:25

Why doesn't she tie her hair back into plaits after swimming? This will totally prevent any frizzing.

All the girls at my school have to have their hair tied back at all times. It doesn't kill them.

Teach her that there are more important things than looks. It's an important lesson and somethng that a 13 year old can definitely cope with.

(as an aside - as a Chem teacher, I would be very concerned with girls having lots of hair products on. I wouldn't let them near my bunsens).

MaryAnnSingleton · 01/10/2008 21:22

why wouldn't swimming lessons be fun ?

Imawurzel · 01/10/2008 21:20

Swim lesson fun?
Weekend swimming is fun.
We never did swimming at school even though we had a pool.
All 3 schools come to think of it. Only did swimming in first school.
Never did cooking either. which is probably why i can't really cook these days.

Brangelina · 01/10/2008 21:20

You don't need prescription goggles, normal goggles will do. Make sure you get a good pair that remain watertight in the pool. I swim, windsurf and dive with my lenses in and have never had any problems.

As for the hair, I used to have very curly hair and in the days before serum I just used to tie it back tightly. No faffing about with styling. Just tell her to slather the frizz-ease on and she'll be fine.

Am a bit at these excuses, there is a solution to everything if you put your mind to it. If she's so worried about her appearance tell her frizzy hair is better than cellulite any day.

cascade · 01/10/2008 21:19

most of my girls wear shorts and vest tops over their swim suit, once they become more confident they tend to take them off, why dont you suggest that to the school, is it body issues she has or just she doesnt want to get her hair messy.

MaryAnnSingleton · 01/10/2008 21:19

boys at ds' school had to wear swimming hats too

MaryAnnSingleton · 01/10/2008 21:18

I had to wear brown knickers for PE too but it was hardly nightmareworthy you are being a bit precious, no ?

IdrisTheDragon · 01/10/2008 21:18

We had to wear a swimming cap when we did swimming at school.

MaryAnnSingleton · 01/10/2008 21:17

plus there are hair products she could use before swimming to keep her hair flat and tamed if it really is such a problem - I'd tell her to forget her hair and get in the pool and have fun

formidablelady · 01/10/2008 21:16

Imawurzel Thank-you. I really don't want to be awkward with the school but would like a compromise. I suspect I am not the only one with these issues but some are probably too scared to voice them.I still have nightmares of being forced to wear brown knickers for P.E. and I had hoped society had moved on. Sadly not all of it clearly.

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cascade · 01/10/2008 21:14

A swim cap is worn not to keep hair dry but for 2 major reasons 1. to keep hair out of face. 2. hair clogs the filter system in pools, if the filters become clogged, the pool has to be shut to fix and puts the pool out of action, plus it costs a lot of money to fix. I would expect the teacher could not force your daughter to take part in swimming, but i bet there will be a detention letter sent home. Get your dd to tie her hair back into a pony tail or plats, this is what most of my afro carabean/african girls do, to stop afro becoming wild. Not one of them has ever complained about hair, to the extent that they will not get in the pool.

MaryAnnSingleton · 01/10/2008 21:13

she is so lucky to have a pool at school it would be a very sad thing not to use it - as WouldYouCouldYou suggested she could wear a swimming hat and prescription goggles or just tie her hair up -

cory · 01/10/2008 21:13

Why not tell her to have a hair cut? I can't believe that you would want your dd to learn that styling her hair is so important that the school needs to replan their PE programme accordingly.

I also have a dd at secondary. The moment she comes home and tells me that keeping her current hairstyle intact is so important that the teacher needs to have empathy...well, my dd knows what's good for her. She won't.

cory · 01/10/2008 21:13

Why not tell her to have a hair cut? I can't believe that you would want your dd to learn that styling her hair is so important that the school needs to replan their PE programme accordingly.

I also have a dd at secondary. The moment she comes home and tells me that keeping her current hairstyle intact is so important that the teacher needs to have empathy...well, my dd knows what's good for her. She won't.

Imawurzel · 01/10/2008 21:12

Hope someone comes on with some good suggestions for you, FL.
seems like everyone tonight wants to shoot people down.
nice huh.

formidablelady · 01/10/2008 21:11

Habbibu she is already a good swimmer.

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formidablelady · 01/10/2008 21:10

Spockster
She loves P.E. apart from swimming and is very slim fit and healthy and if she wants to fit in with the other girls she had better stay on the bench as thats where most of them are. I also hope that the teachers are not vindictive as you suggest. Her hair is only shoulder length any shorter and she would look like a boy as the curls spring up

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Habbibu · 01/10/2008 21:08

Do you not think that being able to swim is an extremely important life skill?

formidablelady · 01/10/2008 21:06

Zazette thank-you for your suggestion. I would not wear a swim cap now let alone at 13. And she would have the same problem hair matted under the cap as its so curly. I do appreciate that you did ay least offer some help.

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