Please or to access all these features

Secondary education

Connect with other parents whose children are starting secondary school on this forum.

How to move from 2 to a 5 foundation maths GCSE?

113 replies

Thebestthingsinlife · 03/10/2026 21:17

Is this possible? Realistic? How much work daily will DC have to do from now until exam? How should he be revising daily? We are looking for a tutor but that is only one hour per week. Year 11. Other subjects are ok; maths the weakest one.

OP posts:
Thebestthingsinlife · 08/10/2026 11:07

clary · 08/10/2026 09:38

43% don't fail maths GCSE.

To start with, a grade 1-3 is not a fail, it is a level 1 GCSE pass. It's a good achievement for some students.

And OK, if I am splitting hairs there, the figure for those who get below a grade 4 is actually 29%. So less than a third. If you think about it, there would be little or no point in a qual that every 16yo can gain at a specific level. That's the idea of GCSEs – most students will get some level of qualification. If everyone got a grade 4+ then the grade 4 would have no value to employers or further ed settings.

According to google 43 percent failed to achieve a grade 4 in 2026; which in England is the standard pass.

OP posts:
clary · 08/10/2026 11:14

Thebestthingsinlife · 08/10/2026 11:07

According to google 43 percent failed to achieve a grade 4 in 2026; which in England is the standard pass.

Edited

Ah ok that's true but that figure includes resits and older students. The % of resitting students gaining a 4 is really low so that skews it. If you just consider 15/16yo year 11 students (which tbh I think is reasonable, that's your DS's cohort) the figure is fewer than 30% gaining below a 4.

Hairyfairy01 · 08/10/2026 12:53

DD went from a predicted E/F grade to achieving a C grade. I paid for an amazing maths tutor who ‘got her’ and her style of learning once a week but dd could also WhatsApp her questions at any times and the tutor would explain stuff to her mainly via videos outside of that paid for hour. Dd was also very clear of what she wanted to do in year 12 and knew she needed that C grade in maths and worked hard, independently, to achieve it.

Thebestthingsinlife · 08/10/2026 14:17

Hairyfairy01 · 08/10/2026 12:53

DD went from a predicted E/F grade to achieving a C grade. I paid for an amazing maths tutor who ‘got her’ and her style of learning once a week but dd could also WhatsApp her questions at any times and the tutor would explain stuff to her mainly via videos outside of that paid for hour. Dd was also very clear of what she wanted to do in year 12 and knew she needed that C grade in maths and worked hard, independently, to achieve it.

That is great; being able to contact the tutor with questions is great help too.

OP posts:
Willowskyblue · 08/10/2026 14:26

DS’s school arranged and paid for peer tutoring by students who were on course for 9. He went from a 3 to a 5 with a term’s 3x weekly tutoring before school. He liked it much better than the teacher as it was someone his own age who knew what they were doing and were good at communicating it.

Thebestthingsinlife · 08/10/2026 15:55

Willowskyblue · 08/10/2026 14:26

DS’s school arranged and paid for peer tutoring by students who were on course for 9. He went from a 3 to a 5 with a term’s 3x weekly tutoring before school. He liked it much better than the teacher as it was someone his own age who knew what they were doing and were good at communicating it.

Thanks; unfortunately maths teaching at his school isn’t good. Only a couple of good teachers who are focusing on higher maths; lots of people have fallen behind; the ones that can afford it are paying private tutoring.

We have scheduled private tutoring twice per week. Will see how it goes. There is also one hour intervention per week with one of the good teachers.

The school is heading for lots of maths resits in my opinion. They are trying to turns things around but one hour maths intervention per week isn’t going to be enough. They changed the Head of Maths this year; but there is only so much one person can do.

OP posts:
clary · 08/10/2026 16:10

Students need to take ownership though. PPs here have made the point that practice is key. If a student doesn’t do any work outside lessons and tutoring, they are much less likely to improve. A 15yo is old enough to realise that and work.

I agree poor teaching is not acceptable; but all the more reason for your ds to step up.

Thebestthingsinlife · 08/10/2026 16:47

clary · 08/10/2026 16:10

Students need to take ownership though. PPs here have made the point that practice is key. If a student doesn’t do any work outside lessons and tutoring, they are much less likely to improve. A 15yo is old enough to realise that and work.

I agree poor teaching is not acceptable; but all the more reason for your ds to step up.

Sure; but how can you practice if you don’t understand the topics, as someone said you need to be actively taught; I know there is plenty of stuff on the internet; but unless you are a self motivated and self learner this isn’t going to help .

OP posts:
clary · 08/10/2026 16:53

Thebestthingsinlife · 08/10/2026 16:47

Sure; but how can you practice if you don’t understand the topics, as someone said you need to be actively taught; I know there is plenty of stuff on the internet; but unless you are a self motivated and self learner this isn’t going to help .

Yes if there are topics you don’t understand then the tutor should help your son. For other students at the school, sounds as tho they could bring their concerns to the maths teacher clinic.

The motivation can come from passing it and never having to study it again! Worked for my ds1.

Robotindisguise · 08/10/2026 17:04

My daughter moved from a 3 to a 5. She had a tutor in Y11 - should have started that sooner.

We used:
Save My Exams
Corbett Maths 5 a day book. First 6 months “foundation” then “foundation plus”.
Endless past papers which I marked in front of her using the mark scheme again and again so she understood how to scoop up marks (often she did some steps in her head correctly then got the wrong answer, but would have got marks had she illustrated the steps).
Going over and over re-teaching the maths behind questions with the help of videos on the Corbett Maths website, BBC Bitesize website etc. I got an A in GCSE maths but it was a long time ago so when I was going over eg nth term stuff I would often quietly watch the video first to ensure I was supporting her correctly.

Thebestthingsinlife · 08/10/2026 19:24

Robotindisguise · 08/10/2026 17:04

My daughter moved from a 3 to a 5. She had a tutor in Y11 - should have started that sooner.

We used:
Save My Exams
Corbett Maths 5 a day book. First 6 months “foundation” then “foundation plus”.
Endless past papers which I marked in front of her using the mark scheme again and again so she understood how to scoop up marks (often she did some steps in her head correctly then got the wrong answer, but would have got marks had she illustrated the steps).
Going over and over re-teaching the maths behind questions with the help of videos on the Corbett Maths website, BBC Bitesize website etc. I got an A in GCSE maths but it was a long time ago so when I was going over eg nth term stuff I would often quietly watch the video first to ensure I was supporting her correctly.

Glad your and her efforts paid off

OP posts:
skivitis · 08/10/2026 19:26

I reckon he can turn it around if he puts in the effort now and you get a decent tutor (not just an enthusiastic sixth former!)

skivitis · 08/10/2026 19:27

And has he been assessed for dyscalculia ? ie is it definitely just lack of engagement?

Thebestthingsinlife · 09/10/2026 06:33

skivitis · 08/10/2026 19:26

I reckon he can turn it around if he puts in the effort now and you get a decent tutor (not just an enthusiastic sixth former!)

Agreed. He is starting with a experience tutor who was a maths teacher; he can do it if he commits to it.

OP posts:
Thebestthingsinlife · 09/10/2026 06:34

skivitis · 08/10/2026 19:27

And has he been assessed for dyscalculia ? ie is it definitely just lack of engagement?

I am not sure; but how will the assessment help if he is found out to have dyscalculia.

OP posts:
skivitis · 09/10/2026 08:18

Thebestthingsinlife · 09/10/2026 06:34

I am not sure; but how will the assessment help if he is found out to have dyscalculia.

Edited

I am not entirely sure but for instance once my daughter was diagnosed with dyslexia we then could read a lot about how best to help her, and I got her a specialist tutor

Toomanyminifigs · 09/10/2026 09:17

If it were me, I wouldn't ask your elder DS to get involved. It sounds like he has enough on his plate. Also, getting a 9 at GCSE doesn't mean he's going to be able to help a student working at a 2.

A 9 suggests a natural ability to grasp complex concepts quickly and easily. It doesn't follow that they will be able to break those down into a language a student who's struggling is going to understand.
Also, your older DS will have taken taken the Higher paper which is very different.

I do appreciate that not everyone is in a position to be able to pay for help so in some cases siblings may be the only option.

As an aside, you mentioned your DS is considering psychology A level. At my DS's school the entry requirements are a 6 in maths and sciences. There's a lot of statistics in psychology.

He still has a year to go though and if he's working at 5s in science now, 6s are possible. It's obviously the maths that you've correctly identified as the biggest issue.

Thebestthingsinlife · 09/10/2026 10:04

Toomanyminifigs · 09/10/2026 09:17

If it were me, I wouldn't ask your elder DS to get involved. It sounds like he has enough on his plate. Also, getting a 9 at GCSE doesn't mean he's going to be able to help a student working at a 2.

A 9 suggests a natural ability to grasp complex concepts quickly and easily. It doesn't follow that they will be able to break those down into a language a student who's struggling is going to understand.
Also, your older DS will have taken taken the Higher paper which is very different.

I do appreciate that not everyone is in a position to be able to pay for help so in some cases siblings may be the only option.

As an aside, you mentioned your DS is considering psychology A level. At my DS's school the entry requirements are a 6 in maths and sciences. There's a lot of statistics in psychology.

He still has a year to go though and if he's working at 5s in science now, 6s are possible. It's obviously the maths that you've correctly identified as the biggest issue.

Thanks and agree, DS1 has enough at the moment. Fortunately we are able to pay and increase tutoring hours if needed as long as DS2 finds his drive and commit to it. I know they are capable of getting a 5 if they put their head down to study from now own.

We went to local Sixth Form open day; spoke to psychology teacher. He needs 6 in English, 5 in maths and 5,5 in Science. She said the maths are not complicated; percentages and things like that. Will see, otherwise there is a btec psychology in another school near by. It is up to DS.

OP posts:
SleeplessRoads · 09/10/2026 10:12

Thebestthingsinlife · 09/10/2026 10:04

Thanks and agree, DS1 has enough at the moment. Fortunately we are able to pay and increase tutoring hours if needed as long as DS2 finds his drive and commit to it. I know they are capable of getting a 5 if they put their head down to study from now own.

We went to local Sixth Form open day; spoke to psychology teacher. He needs 6 in English, 5 in maths and 5,5 in Science. She said the maths are not complicated; percentages and things like that. Will see, otherwise there is a btec psychology in another school near by. It is up to DS.

But the maths is also not complicated at a grade 5 GCSE and he’s struggling to achieve that.

I would be worried about anyone who doesn’t naturally sit at a grade 4 or above in maths going on to do a maths heavy A Level like psychology.

Thebestthingsinlife · 09/10/2026 10:29

SleeplessRoads · 09/10/2026 10:12

But the maths is also not complicated at a grade 5 GCSE and he’s struggling to achieve that.

I would be worried about anyone who doesn’t naturally sit at a grade 4 or above in maths going on to do a maths heavy A Level like psychology.

Thanks; if he is capable to achieve a 5 in GCSE he will cope with course; if he doesn’t then the decision will be made for him and he can only do whatever subjects are available with the grades he gets.

OP posts:
Tryagain26 · 09/10/2026 10:31

Does he understand the subject? If he doesn't no amount of revising is going to help. Is the school helping?

Thebestthingsinlife · 09/10/2026 10:37

Tryagain26 · 09/10/2026 10:31

Does he understand the subject? If he doesn't no amount of revising is going to help. Is the school helping?

He understands the subject but was not practicing enough,

The school is helping with one hour intervention a week with a good teacher.

He got the worse maths teacher this year so that doesn’t help.

OP posts:
SleeplessRoads · 09/10/2026 11:19

Thebestthingsinlife · 09/10/2026 10:29

Thanks; if he is capable to achieve a 5 in GCSE he will cope with course; if he doesn’t then the decision will be made for him and he can only do whatever subjects are available with the grades he gets.

Just because he can struggle to a 5 doesn’t necessarily set him up for success in an A Level that expects this to be second nature.

I’m not saying he can’t or shouldn’t do it, but it should be a well managed decision - is he willing to keep up maths practice into his A Levels post GCSE as you need to keep using the maths “muscle” to keep it effective if it’s not natural ability.

It isn’t just a “get a 5 and your in”, it’s “get a 5 and continually expect to be applying maths skills of that level and possibly above even when that isn’t the thing that’s being taught”.

Toomanyminifigs · 09/10/2026 11:23

A couple of other things that have occurred to me:

Ask to see his maths papers from school. Some schools seem reluctant to share them but it's worth asking. You can then pass them on to the tutor so they can see what's going on.
It would be useful to see why he's getting a 2. Is he not finishing? Is he making silly mistakes?

On the Foundation papers, the questions build so the first few are 1 markers then the last 6 or 7 tip into the type of questions from the Higher paper. They can pick up method marks here even if they get the answer wrong/give up.
So if he's spending ages on the start of the paper on 1-mark questions that he may be getting wrong, that's going to be a big issue.

My DS went from a 3 to working at a 5 quite quickly once he had a tutor in place who could help him go over some of the concepts he didn't understand. It can be hard in class if you don't grasp something as the teacher maybe won't have time to address everyone's difficulties.

The other thing to mention just so you're aware, if a DC gets a 4, they don't get to retake at school. A 4 is a pass so there's no funding for a retake. A 4 can be a very good achievement for many DC but I know you're specifically asking about getting to a 5.
It may be that some schools are prepared to let a DC retake for a 5 if a university course is at stake but I just wanted to flag that's it's not the norm.

Thebestthingsinlife · 09/10/2026 11:29

Toomanyminifigs · 09/10/2026 11:23

A couple of other things that have occurred to me:

Ask to see his maths papers from school. Some schools seem reluctant to share them but it's worth asking. You can then pass them on to the tutor so they can see what's going on.
It would be useful to see why he's getting a 2. Is he not finishing? Is he making silly mistakes?

On the Foundation papers, the questions build so the first few are 1 markers then the last 6 or 7 tip into the type of questions from the Higher paper. They can pick up method marks here even if they get the answer wrong/give up.
So if he's spending ages on the start of the paper on 1-mark questions that he may be getting wrong, that's going to be a big issue.

My DS went from a 3 to working at a 5 quite quickly once he had a tutor in place who could help him go over some of the concepts he didn't understand. It can be hard in class if you don't grasp something as the teacher maybe won't have time to address everyone's difficulties.

The other thing to mention just so you're aware, if a DC gets a 4, they don't get to retake at school. A 4 is a pass so there's no funding for a retake. A 4 can be a very good achievement for many DC but I know you're specifically asking about getting to a 5.
It may be that some schools are prepared to let a DC retake for a 5 if a university course is at stake but I just wanted to flag that's it's not the norm.

Edited

Thank you; will ask school for copies of his last math exams and share with the tutor. Will see what the tutor say regarding his skills and how easily he picks up a subject

OP posts:
Swipe left for the next trending thread