Daughter being excluded from prom

We phone all the parents and get the other kids collected in that case. Because Timmys parents wouldn't come to collect him. You can't have a child running riot at prom, knowing they are untouchable and causing damage etc.

Timmy proved he was a twat, no one else.

People here on this thread have argued it's a message which will educate them about consequences.
Ok so I'm not sure what that demonstrates but surely he must have been doing drugs or planting bombs or likely to attack or something like that, to provoke such a reaction. Because you didn't shut a whole prom down 'just to prove what a twat he was' .
So out of interest when a kid is assessed as a risk and excluded ( no problem with that done proportionately) what happens when they show up ?

You do realise children are still leaving school at 16 now without those skills now

It's not for the good of the excluded children. It's for the good of the others. So their night can be enjoyed without Timmy doing something stupid and ruining it for everyone.

Timmy did once sneak into a prom venue he was banned from and we shut the whole thing down because no one would take responsibility for him. The only action to take was get the other children taken away so someone would eventually collect him. Some parents realty don't give a shit.

This wasn't a valuable moment to build Timmys self esteem. This was an exercise in Timmy proving once and for all what a twat he was.

My mother is living evidence of this.

Back in her day she’d have been sat at the back of the class, or possibly in a corner. She does not have basic literacy or numeracy skill, which in fairness when she got a job packing crisps into a box - she didn’t need, and she’s still there now.

However. She can’t understand doctors letters, she’s just had me tonight trying to explain how her pension works and what to do with it, she can’t do her own life insurance, she can’t renew an energy tariff. She’s 64, there’s no dementia, she just doesn’t have the basic life skills she needs.

Yes. She doesn’t need them for her factory job. But she needs them for her life, and I don’t know why we’d deprive our children of the chance to have that.

Yes. That's within normal.employment practice. Organising whole staff/ team socials and excluding underperforming staff is not, for very good reasons. You'd never get away with trying to persuade adults you were doing it for their own good.
I've realised from this thread Schools have created the ' prom which is a bonus' completely forgetting the place it has in a young persons life and self esteem at a crucial stage.

I'd like to think that. Some children though are remarkably quiet about their roles.

Well obviously they can help on the family farm like most farm children do their own lives but they won't be able to work fully independently if they can not pass certain exams and wouldn't be able to take over the farm without having to employ others to do it these jobs. Which would have huge consequences for the running of the farm
If they wish to be employed by farms they wouldn't be very desirable by the farms so are less likely to be employed

But that is one example there are plenty of others where young people are expected to do maths and English to a specific standard before they can do some courses. This wasn't an issue previously (unless those skills were fundamental to the course ie needing maths to do accounting is logical) when people could excel in plastering without needing a grade C equivalent in English to do the course

Out of interest in a cohort if say 200 how many do you think wouldn't be able to come because they wander?!

They get the leavers assembly, shirt signing. They miss out on prom because they have proven that they can't follow instructions, the trust is gone.

Sex absolutely not on schools watch.

Drugs, very unlikely based on the supervision unless they've taken them before attending.

The risk, as in the child who has repeatedly got it wrong, repeatedly shown they are a risk, repeatedly ignored instructions and rules, should not be at prom.

There's no reason they shouldn't have a reward- it's just not appropriate that it's a prom because it's a major event which for many only happens once and it's a clear part of the collective farewell. It's like literally saying - farewell to some and 'don't fare- well' to a small number.
Why not use a certificate? Or medals? There are loads of ways of recognising good behaviour.

If the reward is a bonus and they don’t get the bonus they are excluded from the reward.

I’m not being obnoxious. I’m asking you to provide evidence that a farmer’s child can’t work in the family farm without school exams.

No but I wouldn't organise a special end of year get together and exclude them. They'd be able to sue but more importantly it'd actually be bullying.
What does , 'there shouldn't be a risk?' Mean? You are getting 180 or so kids together in the evening. Risk comes with that whether or not it should. A proportion of them will be doing drugs. Some might be trying to have sex. Some will be likely to leave. You can't eliminate risk ever.

Don't be so obnoxious

To work as a farmer doing all farm tasks such as:
buying pesticides
Spraying pesticides
Operating specific machinery
Administration of certain medication to the farm animals

Things you may be able to do and in the past could do without qualifications (by being trained on the Job) but which you can now no longer do legally without the qualifications

FYI: I do home educate but unfortunately the school had already caused unbelievable damage to the child

To work on your dad’s farm? Doing general farm stuff? Google reveals nothing. Just home educate your children if you think it’s so toxic. It’s irrelevant to the point of the thread.

A quick Google will show you what they need.
Not school exams but quals done in college.

But school exams do make a difference to courses again at college. And school difficulties does impact young people confidence with learning which impacts college.

I’d like a bit of evidence for this to be honest. I know a fair few farmers and I can’t think of a situation where you would need a written, school exam (or any sort of exam) to buy something or to complete tasks on your family farm. If a farmer is employing someone that might be different, but that’s up to them, not schools.

Neither does the food industry which is the biggest manufacturing industry in the UK. Good promotion and training prospects too if people want them including apprenticeships etc.

Actually - they do now. In order to purchase certain items for the farm or complete certain tasks on the farm you now need specific qualifications which include passing exams.
Without this you cant buy related items and can't do the work on the farm.

Family farms have never, and do not now, require exams.

Don't be ridiculous
It was an example of how a young person who struggled in school could excel in certain work environments in the past but now the over academic changes to everything has meant those young people have struggled and not been able to excel.

Farming was one example but there are other jobs which now need exams to be passed which in the past would have been assessed practically in the work place without a written exam needed.

These days even working on the family farm young people have to pass exams where as years ago you learnt on the job and didn't need to do written exams. For some people the exam process is a barrier to jobs they should be excelling in
Are you suggesting childrens on farms shouldn’t be educated and given alternatives @Leftrightmiddle ?

Mental health of young people is worsening all the time.

When I was in school if you were struggling for any reason you went to the sick bay.
If you were ill you stayed home and parents weren't harassed over attendance any where like now.
Those who struggled often left school early and started work.
It was understood that not all pupils would pass but that exams weren't important in x y z types of work so it didn't matter.

These days even working on the family farm young people have to pass exams where as years ago you learnt on the job and didn't need to do written exams. For some people the exam process is a barrier to jobs they should be excelling in

The constant testing, the constant grading when your a child failing short is awful and even if you are a child that does well the pressure of constant tests can send you over the edge.

When I was in school kids who struggled went to the remedial class and had targeted support. This just happened - there was no wait and see, they have to completely fail before we support the approach we have now.
If you struggled - you went to the special classroom - these days they may sit in the corridor with a TA but previously their was specialist teacher you went to in their own classroom with adaptions available.

Need a pen grip - it was provided now you have to wait to see several specialist before they will give a pen grip by which point you have gone past the point of the grip being effective as the child has developed and compensated and will now have life long issues. Which could have been avoided if the pen grip attachement was introduced early.

Pupils are stuck in a system that won't put support in place early (wait and see approach) followed by the they managed previously why support now (the lets gaslight and avoid support till it's too late approach) and finally (it's too late now as they can't undo the issue approach)