Daughter being excluded from prom

The OP is not talking about a risk assessment.

That just means no prom organised by school. The school HAS "risk assessed" the OP's daughter and decided she's a risk that they're not willing to take.

Risk assessment does include "No".

What are you on about? Year 11s are still sitting their GCSEs until mid June at least. The proms are usually after the final exam.

The Prom has been and gone - weeks ago. We will never discover if the daughter went to the Prom; we will never know what she wore; we will never know if she snogged a spotty boyfriend.
Life moves on and so must we. It will all be forgotten by September. Daughter will go to college. She will make new friends. She will find a spotty boyfriend. All will be well.

Whatever anyone thinks about the policy, communicating this decision before the exams is an indication of how little they actually care about your child's anxiety and their impact on it.

I’m in two minds about this. I have 3 children- all of whom I expect will go to Prom as they behave well. One probably has an element of adhd but still behaves.

I do think prom should be for everyone apart from the fighters / drinkers 😆 It’s a shame to leave school on such a low.

But - the ones whose children can’t go seem a lot more bothered about that than school attendance and therein lies the problem…

Yeah that's the behaviour policy in every school. We deal with nothing at the time and then ban kids from prom. It's a really effective system.

Like I said. It’s not a punishment for the behaviour. That was dealt with at the time but if a student insists on continuing with bad behaviour, taking up more of everyone’s time and therefore fails to achieve the threshold for prom then I’m afraid the result is the don’t get to go.
I’m astounded you think schools just let pupils misbehave with no consequences until prom!

@Leftrightmiddle and they do that. The issue is that students at prom need to be trusted to behave in a particular way. And those who consistently break rules and don’t meet behaviour expectations can’t be trusted.

I disagree. If a child is badly behaved throughout the school year then I think it's fair enough for them to be excluded from the prom.

Behaviour should be dealt with at the time. Not at the end of the schools years.
No point allowing pupils to misbehave in yr 9 without consequences but then ban them from prom - deal with it at the time with appropriate consequences

Yep. Entitlement vs responsibility.
Maddening. Just one of the many reasons that teachers are leaving the profession. Note to teens. The world doesn’t owe you a party.

"But why do some people object when schools ban students who have consistently broken the rules over the years and therefore have low behaviour scores from attending such non-educational events as the prom"

Because they are more concerned with the entitlement/ rights of the individual than the responsibilities of those same individuals towards others?

I think everyone agrees that the school has the right to even expel students if they seriously break school rules.
But why do some people object when schools ban students who have consistently broken the rules over the years and therefore have low behaviour scores from attending such non-educational events as the prom？

No. The default position is - this is the level of behaviour you need to achieve to be eligible to go.

The opposite of reward is not punishment. They are different concepts.

But surely the default position is being allowed to go?

The opposite of reward is punish

There are examples all the time of pupils being punished for minor infractions

Someone I know son has EBSA alongside this they have huge sensory issues with the school tie.
After being unable to attend for months. He managed to get through the school door again. His tie was loose within minutes he was shouted at over his tie and put in isolation as a punishment for his tie. What happened the next day? We he was back to being unable to walk through the door

Here you are again calling it a punitive measure. It’s the opposite. Those who follow the rules and meet the threshold are rewarded. Those who don’t, aren’t. Nobody is punished.

What? Staff voluntarily give up their time. Prom isn’t a right. It’s a privilege. Students don’t have a right to go. It’s made clear very early on at most schools that anyone not achieving a certain standard of behaviour won’t be able to go. There are lots of other ways to mark the end of Y11. Really really want to go to prom? Well then behave. 🤷‍♀️

They should risk assess. But I'd argue schools don't have a right to involve staff in a voluntary ' duty' then position themselves as excluding pupils from the party who don't represent a risk as a punitive measure.

I don't think any child should be excluded from the end of their school journey celebration @Keith2cu

I agree that every child should be part of the celebration marking the end of their school journey. That said, we should distinguish between a graduation and a prom. I do not personally view a social party like a prom as a formal celebration of one's education.
It is similar to how I view a wedding as a necessity, whereas the party afterwards is optional.

School staff aren’t paid to supervise prom. No child has a right to be there. Find another way to celebrate.

I don't think any child should be excluded from the end of their school journey celebration after so many years study. It's actually particularly cruel and emotionally harming usually to a child that's struggled through the school process. A staff member could keep a keen eye on those that need it during a prom. It's the last chance to process, celebrate, let go of that journey and get some good feelings attached to it's end especially just after exam stress. Excluding all but dangerous students is just mean and will create resentment that child will carry forward into life.

The issue with proms is not the good kids with reasonable parents. Teachers put the work in for these students. Its not even the students who’ve caused issues over the years - where they are not a safeguarding risk.
The big issues is students who still show they might do something out of line - and this is the important bit - with parents who think their children do no wrong. Where the parent will argue and argue that their child is not issue. Where the parent will not let the issues go, they will over think and defend their unreasonable child. If the parent had put that much effort into their child’s behaviour 4 years ago they wouldn’t be in this situation.
Sometimes you just have to learn the lesson (or not) and let things go.