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High-achieving ds feels teachers have turned against him in Y13

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stripycats · 21/03/2026 10:11

This is a bit of a weird one and I'm not sure how best to handle it. DS is a high achieving very driven student in an average comp. He's head boy, only one to get all 9s at GCSE, is predicted 3 A stars, got that in his mocks and has an Oxbridge offer. I'm not bragging but obviously this is relevant to the post. He absolutely loves school and his teachers and parents' evenings are always glowing - as much in terms of his attitude as his achievements. He is always being praised for his contributions to discussions (does hums/arts subjects) and his questions as well as the way he asks for and responds to feedback. It has never so much as been hinted at that he is arrogant and I really don't think he is. He has a wide range of friends and helps out at revision sessions for younger pupils, open evenings etc.

Lately he has been commenting that in one subject he is being marked down by teachers and disagreed with in class, he feels, for the sake of it. To give an example, essays are marked out of 25 and he has scored between 22-25 throughout the course, usually only dropping a mark or two for the last year. However, now he is getting 21 or 22 most of the time and it's knocking his confidence. As the final exams approach it seems he is getting slightly worse which is worrying him. This is the subject he is doing for a degree as well. He also feels the teachers are disagreeing with him a lot in class and feels like he is being 'put in his place' so to speak, and he finds it hurtful, especially for it to start quite suddenly at this point.

I am trying to put it in perspective for him and saying they just expect so much from him and want to be sure they have done everything they can to help him meet his offer (he doesn't actually need A stars, but he'll feel a failure if he doesn't get them, especially in this subject) and that could be why they seem 'picky'. The discussion-based stuff could just be a perception, which I have said to him. I realise this probably sounds ridiculous but it's getting to him and it's not nice to see. He has loved school but puts so much pressure on himself and now he's not sure what's going on. What, if anything, should I do?

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Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 30/08/2026 10:57

Teachers are human and can have all the faults that humans can possess.
I’ve known teachers be very insecure about their students gaining better grades in their subjects than they did at that age.
It’s not beyond the realm of possibility that she’s just jealous of his potential trajectory.

Onwards and upwards.

Springspringspringagain · 21/08/2026 13:30

Congratulations to him, yes she is weird but luckily he's moving on!

godmum56 · 20/08/2026 18:49

Aluna · 19/08/2026 11:11

Congrats to him. Did she have the other student’s permission to share info about their mark?

I wondered this too.

stripycats · 20/08/2026 18:43

Thanks everyone - I find it a very odd comment for her to have made and I'm glad I'mm not alone in thinking that. It does make me feel she had some sort of issue with ds which is a shame as until this started happening he really loved her as a teacher.

Anyway, it doesn't really matter and he is so happy with his results and really looking forward to uni, where no doubt he will be challenged and certainly won't be top of the class as such anymore. That's one of the things he's looking forward to I think - being challenged intellectually rather than having teachers who had previously sung his praises without reservation suddenly turn against him.

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viques · 20/08/2026 15:31

A little story for you OP. A friends child has just graduated with a first from Imperial. Never failed an exam in their life. One of the first things they said about Imperial was that they had never met so many clever people before in their life! This was a grounded young person, always had a Saturday and a holiday job on the go, did lots of sports, very sociable, challenged themselves with DofE etc, but realised within days that they had never actually been intellectually challenged and pushed by their peers.

They got over the shock of having to up their game quickly, and enjoyed it because as I say they were grounded and had excellent social skills, but I can see that for kids who didn’t have those personal resources to fall back on it must have been hard to lose their automatic place at the top of the pyramid which is what can happen when you go from thinking you are the only big fish to realising that you are one of a shoal.

Your son needs to stop assuming that he is being picked on, and find out why , maybe by asking his teachers, what he needs to do to push himself.

Just seen your update, what great results! I hope he thrives at University, and to be honest, re assure him that after the first day or two no one will care what AL grades he got, they will all know they are much of a muchness.

Dery · 19/08/2026 15:17

@stripycats - that's great news. History teacher sounds deeply odd. Fortunately, she will now be consigned to history as far as your DS is concerned and irrelevant to DS2. Onwards and upwards to your DS.

balzamico · 19/08/2026 13:11

Glad he got the results he worked for, your history teacher sounds insecure, what a rubbish thing to say

Marquee2go · 19/08/2026 11:19

Congratulations to your DS. Hope he has a wonderful time at uni.

One thing I would say though is that the feeling of being talked down or dismissed may come back to him as he meets new peers and tutors. It might be worth reframing this as "they are challenging you because they can see you are capable of deeper analysis" so rather than feeling dismissed he is driven towards strengthening his arguments. For a subject like history there is so much interpretation and nuance and multiple layers, its not a question of hard fact. Being able to defend your argument is critical along with accepting that others may have a different but also valid view.

Aluna · 19/08/2026 11:11

stripycats · 19/08/2026 10:36

Just thought I would update this following results day. DS got the 3 A stars very comfortably and that is the main thing. (No one else got A star in history). Weirdly though one of the teachers who had seemed to be putting him down a bit came up to him when he was collecting his results and congratulated him but also made a point of telling him that one of the other students got a higher mark than him in one of the papers. Why she felt the need to do that I don't know but it leaves a nasty tase and I'm glad that ds2, who is going into Y12 this year, isn't doing that subject.

Congrats to him. Did she have the other student’s permission to share info about their mark?

thirdfiddle · 19/08/2026 10:58

stripycats · 19/08/2026 10:36

Just thought I would update this following results day. DS got the 3 A stars very comfortably and that is the main thing. (No one else got A star in history). Weirdly though one of the teachers who had seemed to be putting him down a bit came up to him when he was collecting his results and congratulated him but also made a point of telling him that one of the other students got a higher mark than him in one of the papers. Why she felt the need to do that I don't know but it leaves a nasty tase and I'm glad that ds2, who is going into Y12 this year, isn't doing that subject.

How unprofessional. Maybe defensive of their grading as having been accurate, look you didn't get full marks? They surely shouldn't be telling him another student's private information at all.

Like you say, main thing congratulations to your DS! Three A*s is amazing and sounds like he's well out of that school. He's going to love uni.

GoldenApricity · 19/08/2026 10:53

Well done - you must be very proud and I hope he enjoys university.

No idea why the teacher would commnet someone esle got a higher mark on a paper or why she thought he'd care at that point.

IdentityCris · 19/08/2026 10:47

Congratulations to your DS! It sounds like he will fly at university. Is he starting there next month?

History teacher sounds awfully petty. Just as well he's leaving her behind.

stripycats · 19/08/2026 10:36

Just thought I would update this following results day. DS got the 3 A stars very comfortably and that is the main thing. (No one else got A star in history). Weirdly though one of the teachers who had seemed to be putting him down a bit came up to him when he was collecting his results and congratulated him but also made a point of telling him that one of the other students got a higher mark than him in one of the papers. Why she felt the need to do that I don't know but it leaves a nasty tase and I'm glad that ds2, who is going into Y12 this year, isn't doing that subject.

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TicklishMintDuck · 25/03/2026 21:25

Ruralmummy25 · 23/03/2026 04:18

The threshold is not high to get a PGCE. The quality of the degree (class and institution) is often a little suspect, and often teachers are not teaching the subject they have a degree in. A massive problem. A french teacher should not be teaching biology at GCSE level, for example.

If you are a bright student it's not difficult to be better informed than a significant number of teachers.
I am not knocking teachers, there are some brilliant, very bright ones. But not all. I know many that quite frankly scare me with their lack of subject knowledge. The requirements have been getting steadily lower with the continuing problem to recruit. This has been over decades. The reality is that unless this really is your vocation (which there are some amazing teachers) if you have a decent degree from a decent university you have more options and you don't choose education.

I have a 2:1 from an excellent university. I had to study to a much deeper level than GCSE or A level, and I had to live and work in a French speaking country for a year. I speak French, Italian and Spanish now. The GCSE courses don’t touch what you do in a languages degree. Oh and I’ve been teaching for over 20 years! All my departmental colleagues have been linguists. There’s a recruitment and retention crisis yeah, but please don’t undermine teachers’ knowledge!

PensionedCruiser · 25/03/2026 11:59

Noshadelamp · 22/03/2026 16:33

(he doesn't actually need A stars, but he'll feel a failure if he doesn't get them, especially in this subject @stripycats

He's objectively not a failure for not getting A star so he needs to work on his resilience before going to university.

It's a common problem especially with naturally gifted and talented children or children praised for their results rather than effort, is that they get their confidence from their results, an external source of confidence, rather from their own effort, an internal source of confidence.

Using language like thinking teachers are wanting to put him in his place shows that your ds's identity is rooted in being the best in the class.
When teachers might be trying to stretch and challenge him, he perceives it as a test and his identity feels threatened, he assumes teachers are intentionally trying to expose his "weakness."

Make sure you praise his effort and help shift his sense of identity and confidence from his results to the effort he makes.

This, 100%. It is sometimes difficult for high achievers to realise that it is their effort that counts more than the final mark. It is why many clever people crash and burn after school - they don't value their achievements unless someone else does first. (Yes, I know I'm being simplistic here and there are other reasons, but this is important).

MayasJamas · 25/03/2026 05:51

Hmm1234 · 24/03/2026 17:01

What a silly comment you sound like someone who believes the ‘system is fair’ teachers will have their own reasons as to why they purposely mark some students down. Think about it. Tick box exercises

@Hmm1234 What do you mean by ‘tick box exercises’? I’m a teacher too. What fathomable reason or ‘tick box exercise’ could there be for us marking a student down on purpose? What we are held to is: did we tick the box for the best possible results for our students and (less importantly, to us as teachers) the school’s data? Literally no teacher wants their students to do less well. Even if said teacher is a child-hating tyrant (nb I’ve never met one like this!), better results reflect better on the teacher. We’re actually under a huge amount of pressure to get better results, not worse.

Angelil · 24/03/2026 19:41

LadyMacbethssweetArabianhand · 24/03/2026 08:06

But you have no idea of the experience of the marker on these anonymous sites.

Can you not assume that they only recruit experienced examiners? These sites have quite thorough vetting/recruitment procedures.

cardibach · 24/03/2026 17:25

Hmm1234 · 24/03/2026 17:01

What a silly comment you sound like someone who believes the ‘system is fair’ teachers will have their own reasons as to why they purposely mark some students down. Think about it. Tick box exercises

I’m a retired teacher. There is literally no reason for a teacher to try to make a student do less well than they could. You’re the one being silly.

Hmm1234 · 24/03/2026 17:01

cardibach · 24/03/2026 11:25

A teacher marking an internal essay down a mark or two (it’d that even what’s happened) doesn’t hold a student back. How could it? Also why would a teacher want to, given their entire reason for doing a very difficult job is to help students advance - plus student performance is part of their professional evaluation…

What a silly comment you sound like someone who believes the ‘system is fair’ teachers will have their own reasons as to why they purposely mark some students down. Think about it. Tick box exercises

cardibach · 24/03/2026 11:25

Hmm1234 · 24/03/2026 07:15

This happened back in my day the teachers would overly praise high achievers then stop them from going so far to keep them in their place or the school simply didn’t know what to do with overly bright students! Have also seen many marked down on purpose by teacher to hold them back

A teacher marking an internal essay down a mark or two (it’d that even what’s happened) doesn’t hold a student back. How could it? Also why would a teacher want to, given their entire reason for doing a very difficult job is to help students advance - plus student performance is part of their professional evaluation…

LadyMacbethssweetArabianhand · 24/03/2026 08:06

Angelil · 22/03/2026 19:45

But if you go with an organisation like MarkMyPapers then the examiners grading the essays have no idea what the teachers thought of them to begin with - so maybe that's a better option.

But you have no idea of the experience of the marker on these anonymous sites.

Hmm1234 · 24/03/2026 07:15

stripycats · 21/03/2026 10:11

This is a bit of a weird one and I'm not sure how best to handle it. DS is a high achieving very driven student in an average comp. He's head boy, only one to get all 9s at GCSE, is predicted 3 A stars, got that in his mocks and has an Oxbridge offer. I'm not bragging but obviously this is relevant to the post. He absolutely loves school and his teachers and parents' evenings are always glowing - as much in terms of his attitude as his achievements. He is always being praised for his contributions to discussions (does hums/arts subjects) and his questions as well as the way he asks for and responds to feedback. It has never so much as been hinted at that he is arrogant and I really don't think he is. He has a wide range of friends and helps out at revision sessions for younger pupils, open evenings etc.

Lately he has been commenting that in one subject he is being marked down by teachers and disagreed with in class, he feels, for the sake of it. To give an example, essays are marked out of 25 and he has scored between 22-25 throughout the course, usually only dropping a mark or two for the last year. However, now he is getting 21 or 22 most of the time and it's knocking his confidence. As the final exams approach it seems he is getting slightly worse which is worrying him. This is the subject he is doing for a degree as well. He also feels the teachers are disagreeing with him a lot in class and feels like he is being 'put in his place' so to speak, and he finds it hurtful, especially for it to start quite suddenly at this point.

I am trying to put it in perspective for him and saying they just expect so much from him and want to be sure they have done everything they can to help him meet his offer (he doesn't actually need A stars, but he'll feel a failure if he doesn't get them, especially in this subject) and that could be why they seem 'picky'. The discussion-based stuff could just be a perception, which I have said to him. I realise this probably sounds ridiculous but it's getting to him and it's not nice to see. He has loved school but puts so much pressure on himself and now he's not sure what's going on. What, if anything, should I do?

This happened back in my day the teachers would overly praise high achievers then stop them from going so far to keep them in their place or the school simply didn’t know what to do with overly bright students! Have also seen many marked down on purpose by teacher to hold them back

IdentityCris · 23/03/2026 22:12

Could he be coasting a bit? Coming up to exams everything does go up a level, perhaps he hasn't gone up a level himself?

BlueMoonIceCream · 23/03/2026 21:45

Come on it is a good lesson for him. Being praised all the time is unhealthy. He also needs a lesson of understanding that his self esteem is more important than what the teachers say.

Angelil · 23/03/2026 20:44

ItsNotMeEither · 22/03/2026 16:20

I don't have an answer for you with the teacher issue, but just a thought on the essay responses. Can he upload the task, his response and the marking guide to Chat GPT and ask for feedback on how he could have improved?

If he's not getting targeted feedback from the teachers, at least this might help him to see how he could more fully answer essay questions in the future.

I would not do this. Then ChatGPT owns the work and it can be scraped by other future students who want to cheat. I'm always surprised when people are apparently quite happy to enable this.

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