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How to choose between these grammar schools and nearby family areas?

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L186 · 16/03/2026 16:47

According to your experience and knowledge, how will/did you choose from the following grammar schools if your DS qualified for them? also considering if the surrounding areas are safe, convenient and nice to live for families. Moving nearby to the school is one of the idea in the near future; it’s also one of the important elements to result the final decision. I’m sure all the schools are fantastic in different criteria. The matter is down to which one fits the child and family the best.

Offering OOC places with enough scores:

  • Dartford Grammar school,
  • The Judd School,
  • Sutton Grammar School,
  • Wallington county grammar school,
  • Colchester Royal Grammar school,
  • Westcliff high school for boys,

Need to move into their designated areas:

  • The Latymer school,
  • King Edward VI grammar school Chelmsford,

Any thoughts, facts, experiences and opinions are welcome.

OP posts:
Araminta1003 · 18/03/2026 19:10

Living in Sevenoaks is extremely expensive though. Especially close to the station, more expensive than Tonbridge or Sutton, for sure.
Also QE is not a good suggestion for a kid where the parent is worried about mild dyslexia/ADHD. It is incredibly competitive with some culling at Sixth Form.
Judd or Sutton would both be more gentle.
I think Tonbridge and surrounding villages are all fine price wise.
Wallington County is also a good school.
I just think moving out of Central London with an extremely international vibe and not being British to somewhere like Tonbridge could be a bit of a culture shock, to put it mildly. But plenty of people do it. The OP does not say their heritage, race, religion or anything like that. It is difficult to advise without any of that.

murrayperahia · 18/03/2026 18:44

@justasmallbiz
What would put you off Kent schools?

Softleftpowerstance · 18/03/2026 18:23

Personally I wouldn’t want to move to Dartford. Have you visited that bit of Kent OP?

I agree with the previous poster who said lots of boys travel for Judd. Living in Sevenoaks seems common and then kids and parents both commute in opposite directions.

justasmallbiz · 18/03/2026 18:20

If you move into catchment for KEGS, then you’d move to the in catchment waiting list - however, it doesn’t move that fast. So unless his score is 355+ then you’d not be top. With CRGS as there’s no catchment, where are you on WL?

ignoring area, I’d go:
QE
CRGS or KEGS (they’re equal in my opinion)
WHSB

I wouldn’t consider Kent schools.

SheilaFentiman · 18/03/2026 18:18

A quick Google indicate that Sutton will respond to emails about waiting list places from March 23rd

(AI so do check any info on the school sites)

ETA this is the central site which says you can ask from today but that individual schools may have various dates

www.sutton.gov.uk/w/national-offer-day-for-secondary-schools

Occasionaluser · 18/03/2026 18:18

Gosh OP I’m finding you very hard to follow . For us a Grammar School place has been superb for our son ( the son that got a place anyway ! ) Not one you’ve considered .

If you have an offer then I would personally get on with researching the area and finding somewhere to live . Easter holidays are not far away - I’d suggest you make that your trip away . Go and find out about the area first hand . I personally think you are fairly unlikely to get anywhere much with waiting lists for other schools . People go to great lengths to get their offer - not that many turn it down ( though I do know a couple that still went private )

murrayperahia · 18/03/2026 18:14

I would take the offer you have and not overthink it if it’s a school you like and commutable for your job.
Judd has been great for our son. Many boys travel quite long distances to Judd each day (eg from Bromley or Orpington). I don’t know anything about Dartford Grammar, that looks brilliant too.

L186 · 18/03/2026 18:11

SheilaFentiman · 18/03/2026 17:59

Do you have any idea where you are on the waiting list for Sutton? Because it would be best just to make a decision and start making your living arrangements for Kent.

The bad thing for Sutton is they don’t really tell you your scores! Or reply your email.

While Kent is telling you everything about your scores and reply emails super fast! I feel Kent council is superb. 😆

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BendingSpoons · 18/03/2026 18:07

I'm going out now, but can post my thoughts on the pros and cons of Sutton soon.

snowymarbles · 18/03/2026 18:06

Housing in Sutton / Wallington probably £600k min for 3 bed semi up to 950k 4 bed.

L186 · 18/03/2026 18:00

BendingSpoons · 18/03/2026 17:48

Do you currently have an offer at either Sutton Grammar or Wallington? If you do, these schools are some of the best located for commute times to Central London, although house prices may be higher than some areas, due to being relatively close in. It's more suburban than some of the other areas, which can be a pro or con, but may be less of a change from Central London and easier to travel back to see friends etc.

You won't get many people who can compare all areas, as most people will only apply in 1 or 2 areas. As my username suggests, I know Sutton quite well, but not the others. I can give my thoughts on areas/housing there, but I think at this point you need to commit to researching the area around the school already you have. I would only go on waiting lists for other schools if you feel strongly at this point. Otherwise you will potentially get other waiting list offers and then have to make quick decisions about which place to take. If your first choice was a school you really liked at the time, then trust that decision! It sounds like you have a bright, well-rounded boy who will do well at any of these schools.

Edited to say, I was writing this before your final post. I now see you have a Kent school, not a Sutton one.

Edited

Thank you so much!
What made me swinging the most are people like you! I found most people comment from Sutton are very nice and calm.
DS and us participated in many volunteer jobs/activities in charities for years, from cleaning river to delivering language and art lessons to local kids. We love to live in a welcoming community. These feelings are hard to research from cold online data of the school results.

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SheilaFentiman · 18/03/2026 17:59

Do you have any idea where you are on the waiting list for Sutton? Because it would be best just to make a decision and start making your living arrangements for Kent.

Araminta1003 · 18/03/2026 17:55

Tonbridge area is 93% white according to the Census and they voted in Reform in Kent.
Sutton is much more mixed with 43% minority but I think as it is suburbia less kids move constantly and so your DS will settle into friendships. Your focus should be on him making life long friends and settling into his life, in a safe environment. The school itself is less of an issue. Quality in all these grammars is very similar. The one thing to note though is Dartford still only does International Baccalaureate, that may or may not change in next few years.
Judd is a great school but definitely far more of a white preppy feel to it than the others you have listed.

Ionacat · 18/03/2026 17:51

Right so you’re holding Dartford or Judd. There are fast trains from Tonbridge into London - around 35 minutes. They go into London Bridge/Charing Cross.
Dartford also takes longer as they tend to stop more. However somewhere like Bexleyheath which has a few faster trains and you can get a bus to the school may work better. Orpington has a bus into Dartford and a fast train service into London. If you need fast trains - look at somewhere near Ebsfleet (you’ll pay more for the commute though.) Dartford is patchy some nice bits and some not so nice bits!
Just beware of the suburban train line trap - it can often take longer because the stations have stopping trains where as further out the trains are faster as they come straight in.

BendingSpoons · 18/03/2026 17:48

Do you currently have an offer at either Sutton Grammar or Wallington? If you do, these schools are some of the best located for commute times to Central London, although house prices may be higher than some areas, due to being relatively close in. It's more suburban than some of the other areas, which can be a pro or con, but may be less of a change from Central London and easier to travel back to see friends etc.

You won't get many people who can compare all areas, as most people will only apply in 1 or 2 areas. As my username suggests, I know Sutton quite well, but not the others. I can give my thoughts on areas/housing there, but I think at this point you need to commit to researching the area around the school already you have. I would only go on waiting lists for other schools if you feel strongly at this point. Otherwise you will potentially get other waiting list offers and then have to make quick decisions about which place to take. If your first choice was a school you really liked at the time, then trust that decision! It sounds like you have a bright, well-rounded boy who will do well at any of these schools.

Edited to say, I was writing this before your final post. I now see you have a Kent school, not a Sutton one.

L186 · 18/03/2026 17:38

SheilaFentiman · 18/03/2026 17:11

Ahahaha that answered no questions or eased no arguments 😀

For which school are you holding an offer, OP?

We are holding an offer of the Kent school (not too many spaces for general OOC, don’t want to risk to reveal identity), a bit dilemma in between these two schools vs areas, and now also thinking if Sutton is a better area to live in case WL offer becomes available.
So far, I feel Sutton and Judd areas are welcome, not much from Dartford.
But of course this is just one source of this topic from this forum.
We research from other sources at the meantime. Thank you.

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SheilaFentiman · 18/03/2026 17:36

OP - you are more likely to get advice if you say which school you have been offered.

As we have all said you are unlikely to get a place on the waiting list on any other school, so advice on other locations is a bit of a waste.

L186 · 18/03/2026 17:25

Thank you everyone for your help.
For us, (and hope it’s useful for others who might in a similar situation now or the near future)

Rule out areas:
Latymer
won’t have enough time to move in.
KEGS
need to move in at the beginning of year 6
CRGS, Westcliff
too far from London
Considering areas:
Wallington, Sutton,
Nice and friendly welcome feeling from comments, have trains to London. How about the general housing price range for a 3/4 beds house semi or detached with good sized garden?
Dartford
Not much info yet, but transport is not too fast or convenient into London? how about the living area and price?
Judd
Nice and friendly welcome feeling from comments, but transport is not too fast or convenient into London?
Of course, we can and for sure will do the price checking, house hunting ourselves.

We don’t mind DS walk or take public transport within 15-30mins to school, alternatively, can have a 20 mins safe cycling routes to school as he loves it.

So, if you are living there or have kids studying there, do you feel safe, diverse and inclusive?

Our major feeling in central London is it’s becoming less safe than before, much more crimes happening, especially robbery, mobile phone grabbing, bicycle/car stealing, teenager ganging etc.

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SheilaFentiman · 18/03/2026 17:11

Ahahaha that answered no questions or eased no arguments 😀

For which school are you holding an offer, OP?

L186 · 18/03/2026 16:37

Thank you all for your kindness.

If we are one of these most families, this post won’t need to be exist.
There is no other family links, jobs can WFH, friends are not too many and all over the place. Basically there is no strong restrictions to tie us up in a certain place.
One of us grow in big city from country A prefers bustling lifestyle; one grow with quiet forest in a chic village of country B, preferring idyllic, although we both are adaptable.
Five years ago( or even longer), we’ve started to looking for houses (I think the searching criteria was 20 miles to great London) regardless the locations, grammars etc but no luck with limited budget, or no immediate need to push us to make a compromised decision.
Before sitting on the exams, we won’t know if DS could possibly pass or get an offer as he’s not those super talented or super hardworking type. Although he seems doing fine at school but that’s a school in the bottom 30% of all the London state primary schools. Especially with a suspected mild dyslexia and ADHD, we won’t know where he can sit among the whole cohort.
We are not alone! Quite a few of his schoolmates went on the similar journey as us. Sat on a few different exams, wait to see where is the hope. Due to our location, all the other grammar boroughs are in kind of equal distance.
As I mentioned, kids in his school are from everywhere and very international. Now we heard some of his schoolmates will go back to their mother countries for secondary school and then maybe come back later for University. Some will go to private schools in other boroughs. Some have moved or will move to different areas for the grammar or non-grammar schools: Bexley, Kent, Essex, Sutton, Surrey, Oxford, Cambridge, even North England…. You name it. About less than half are staying and going to somewhere nearby.
So for someone’s abnormal or strong opinion to the extent of “illegal”,“unethical”, it’s so common around us.
There are also people who living at the location of a border of multiple selective schools took several different exams as there is no general ones for all of them, ie in North London: QE, Latymer, HBS, DAO, SWH; In Southwest London: Sutton, Tiffin; In Southeast London:Bexley, Kent, Medway…. It’s so common for people to take more than one exams due to their situation.
But we respect and understand, if we are local or live in a grammar area and have no intention to relocate, join that one exam and go to the nearest school will be enough.

Just to answer some questions and ease some arguments.
Love & Peace

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Softleftpowerstance · 18/03/2026 16:11

Trying to decipher the OP’s situation feels like an 11+ question in itself.

Which school have you been offered and what are your thoughts about moving to an area that would give your child a reasonable journey to school?

Which is the other school you think you are still in scope for, and same question for the location? Is the location considerably better for your family that you’d gamble on a wait list?

Araminta1003 · 18/03/2026 15:47

The idea behind some of the superselectives not having distance criteria was not intended to enable exam tourism. In most cases, it is because they are located in built up areas, for example in and around London or the South East, and have a local main line station, which theoretically means that children from a wide area could easily travel in. So instead of limiting places to those living within 10 miles or so, they decided to exercise flexibility. Sometimes you can live 15 miles away but the train journey itself is shortish as the main line station enables that.
However, the more people abuse the system, the more they end up cutting the superselective places. So Dartford Grammar just cut a whole lot of out of area last year. There won’t be any left at this point if people keep doing this kind of thing. The places are meant for bright kids within a reasonable commuting distance, not meant for exam shopping or system gaming.

SheilaFentiman · 18/03/2026 14:02

ApricotRow · 18/03/2026 13:52

I don’t understand how they can be holding offers in London, Essex, Surrey, Kent if they don’t live in those areas.

Also if you got offered your first choice in the area you won’t be on the waiting list for the other schools. It doesn’t make sense.

Some grammar schools are 'distance blind' and offer some or all places just based on score.

But OP is not actually holding multiple offers - she will be holding one offer and possibly on the waiting list of others.

ApricotRow · 18/03/2026 13:52

I don’t understand how they can be holding offers in London, Essex, Surrey, Kent if they don’t live in those areas.

Also if you got offered your first choice in the area you won’t be on the waiting list for the other schools. It doesn’t make sense.

Araminta1003 · 18/03/2026 13:45

It is also possible that this poster is another of those foreign education consultant fishing for information. Like I said, there appears to be some international exam tourism going on which I completely object to as a British taxpayer. There is too much not adding up.